Well Oregon… you’ve outdone yourselves… this steaming pile of unconstitutional legislation just might pass…
https://stop114.com/
In FL, Certified Police Firearms Instructor can teach the FL CCW Course as a side business on their off hours. Many do it and make a pile of money from it. It is one of the reasons why Constitutional Carry is opposed by FL LE.
Does Prop 114 mandate that it must be the agency that trains people, or simply a certified police instructor? Because if it is just saying that it must be a Certified Police Firearms Instructor, then watch them make off-duty details and side businesses and rolling in the money.
It looks like an LE approved/certified trainer will only be allowed to facilitate the training for permit to purchase a firearm.
That still doesn’t answer my question, does Prop 114 prevent a certified law enforcement officer from building a side hustle to certify folks?
Because if it does, then you’ll see less resistance from LE in opposing Prop 114.
My bad… I do not know the answer to that question … I’m tracking and completely agree… if there is an incentive to make money off civilians in a “permit scheme”, LE is gonna follow the cash.
As I understand it the training must occur at a 'State approved" training facility of which there are very few. I heard many counties have no such facility. I don’t expect the list is expected to grow either.
Yeah this is designed to make it difficult and discourage carry. I’m so glad I left the west coast.
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The fact that it might NOT pass is a far bigger takeaway.
Massive money behind it, deceptively “reasonable” title for non gun people, in a very blue state, and it may just barely make it.
I mean, we STILL have a mask mandate for healthcare facilities, with no real pushback here.
My kids are down in Albany and approve of their Sheriff saying Nope to the mag BS. I’ll be voting with my feet soon enough.
[Linn County Sheriff’s Office ‘is NOT going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits’](Linn County Sheriff’s Office ‘is NOT going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits’)
I just dropped some coin on more OEM Glock mags for a future planned build but this thing is such garbage I’m not even sure it was worth it. This bill has so many issues it isn’t even funny. I hope GOA jumps on this. A buddy just decided at get an AR10 lower and his number on the State background check was over 10k. Dems remain the greatest gun salesman ever.
One more reason to never visit Oregon.
Looking at a reciprocity map, looks like we’ve lost Washington state too, up until 2013 Washington state used to have reciprocity with Florida. That’s a shame, I used to visit the resting place of Bruce Lee from time to time and Seattle was a nice stop over day rest when I flew to Alaska.
The dumbest thing is standard mags are grandfathered but you can’t use them in a CCW situation. My BIL doesn’t even own a pistol magazine that holds less than 11 rounds.
This won’t fly post Bruen
It probably won’t hold up well in court. But that will take years and tons of money.
As a range toy it’s fine for now. Carry or even HD looks like a no go with regular mags to me, a creative new front from the gun grabbers.
One BIG problem a lot of people don’t know about, Glock ban mags have a long standing reputation of being less reliable. Especially with HP. Glock is a poor choice for use in a ban State.
That won’t fly under vagueness
Toddk,
Thanks for the heads up. I’ve got options for carry outside the Glock. I mainly keep my permit up to date for when I travel with my stuff. The way this law was written makes it less helpful now that mags are practically treated like a firearm for storage purposes.
What is this no hicaps for CCW and HD? Are they trying to get around the issue of a ‘taking’ by outlawing mags by saying that you can have them, you just can’t use them?
You can only use them on your property or at an approved location like a range. There is no provision for the general use of CCW. I’d think for HD you would be good to go.
For now. Then after a period of time it will be “high caps” aren’t legal doncha know.
I still remember when seat belt laws were first mandated, but with the assurance it wouldn’t be used for justification for a stop. After a time that changed and the example became a template for all enforcement.
Oh I’m under no illusions that this is over. I’m just planning on letting the courts do their thing. Oregon needs to get put in their place by SCOTUS. This place is getting out of control. But leaving doesn’t help, we need to stay and keep voting for liberty.