KAC SR-25 EMC
Merry Christmas!
lol, u know im not really sure its a 556 per say…like u said it’s more of multi-cal that u don’t even have to change barrels…i mean their so far ahead of the game its ridiculous…ive shot everything from 22lr to 50bmg thru that thing and it holds sub moa @900yards…dude at the range tried to trade me his colt collection for it and i said hell no i’m not an idiot!!! Anyway, Merry Christmas to you all
sorry about wasting the bandwidth with my pointless posts…im just in a Christmasy good mood…i’ll stop now
I’ve used and carried the entire spectrum of battlefield rifles, from the G3, FN-FAL, AK-47, to the Colt M16-A2, M16-A4, M4-A1, etc… and they have never let me down. Some, I liked more than others… and I believe, when going against hardened targets, there’s no replacement for DISPLACEMENT. I love the exotics, and one of my favorite rifles is my little 10.5 inch Noveske N4. Would I run a Wilson, or a Les Baer, or a LWRC in the box with me? Sure… any day of the week. Having said all of that, MY idea of the “Perfect Battlefield Rifle” is one that goes “bang” every time I pull the trigger. One that does not fail me, one that I can count on to do it’s job, if I do mine. There are a million and one ways to skin a cat… and you will get a million and one answers on what everyone thinks the perfect do everything rifle is.
However, I am in the process of a long term T&E for the PWS MK114… and I must say, I really, REALLY like this rifle.
I have it outfitted with a GA SSA trigger, and a TA31F ACOG. This rifle is accurate, eats anything I put in it, and runs super clean. The recoil pulse has to be felt to be appreciated, and on full auto, this thing is flat as a board.
I can see that the 16 inch version with an ACOG and a good SSA / SD-E trigger in it, would be a GREAT all around, do most everything rifle. No, it’s not an SBR by any stretch of the imagination… but, you can run a 16 inch barrel very well. This rifle is completely reliable, and is more accurate than I ever imagined. I’ve never drank the piston Kool Aid, until I took possession of this rifle. IMHO, it would be well suited to be a great SHTF / GTH battle rifle.
Well, as far as the 5.56mm platform is concerned.
I know I’d take one back to the box with me…
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I’m sorry if I come off as a jerk, but what exactly is the intended purpose of said weapon? Battlefield? Join the military. They’ll get ya GI Joe’d up from the toes up. Home defense? That makes more sense.
Is he going into combat for a defense contractor or just a shooter?
You can only get so much precision out of a 16 inch barrel and I don’t think “long range” (600+ yards comes to mind) is obtainable for most shooters.
If he can afford a $1,200+ Nightforce optic, he can afford a much better rifle than a Bushmaster. They’re nice to have around in case he runs out of toilet paper, but not for a fighting rifle unless he’s trying to club a baby seal to death with it.
^^^^^^^^ THIS!!!
KAC SR-15 E3, or SR-25 EMC.
SCAR counterparts wouldn’t be a bad choice either.
It occurs to me that this thread is going to continue to be all over the map, since the opening criterion left much open to interpretation, and it seems likely that we all have slightly different views of what “one and only battlefield rifle” might actually mean.
I’m old school enough to still think .30 caliber when we’re talking about true battle rifles. Perhaps that is because I don’t know which battlefield we’re talking about, or who (or what) is likely to be on the other side of it, but 5.56x45mm would not be my first choice if I had to select only one rifle to perform in every possible role. A well-placed 7.62x51mm round will drop most any threat I can reasonably think of, can handle distance work, and is better suited to applications other than combat.
Since I kind of discounted the undefined “battlefield” component of the question, my thoughts turned toward a platform that could handle most any job, at most any time, in most any place. 7.62 is widely available on the battlefield (even if you have to de-link it), and .308 is widely available elsewhere. Decent surplus ammunition is widely available for training at a reasonable cost. The SCAR-H/SCAR 17s seemed a good choice here because it represents the most current proven technology, doesn’t carry much of a weight penalty, and offers the ability to change barrels to suit the need at hand. I’m still waiting to see how much of an issue we’re going to have with magazines, but it seems safe to presume that the options here will only increase.
If we stipulate that 5.56 is the round of choice, I’m not sure why I would look beyond the SR-15E3, unless it was to take advantage of the barrel change capability of the SCAR-L/SCAR 16s. I don’t have enough first-hand experience with the latter system to say that I would prefer it over the KAC right now, and in the real, non-theoretical world, the SR-15E3 is my first-line carbine of choice.
In the end, the caliber debate is going to have a significant impact upon platform choice, and as I interpret the “one gun fits all” question, I tend to see more immediate benefit in the ballistic potential of the 7.62 than in the rate of fire advantage of the 5.56.
AC
I agree that if you want a true battlerifle it has got to be 7.62x51. If the SCAR 17, KAC SR-25, and I think I saw someone mention an HK are out of the price range. The DSA FALs are reasonably priced and he can mount the accessories with some of the options they provide.
Not to muddy the water here but what if we were to consider the 6.8?
It’s interesting that the more you study this platform the more attractive it becomes. It really looks as though it has unlimited potential as long as it is properly supported by FN. It offers great versatility including excellent accuracy, without the added weight that we have come to expect from battle rifles in todays market.
Smoking a lot of crack this Holiday Season?
Highpoint, It’s the new KAC.
My choice would be a Knight SR-25.
Long range to me is more than 500 yards and I would want a .308 or 260 for this role and at least a 20" barrel. You can try to make this setup as light as possible but it is not going to be lightweight once you throw a scope, bipod, and laser on it.
Maybe I am out of the loop on something but why the green laser?
You are not coming off as a jerk at all.
The fellow who asked me the question did not seem to understand that there are many, many different applications for the AR15. Nor did he distinguish between a battlefield rifle which would have been used by buck privates at Kursk versus a rifle for house to house entry/clearing vs. a long range setup for a designated marksman or sniper (but he did have a concept of the Nightforce scope).
So my ‘horrifically long response’ referred to above was an attempt to give him some basic info about the various uses to which he might put the rifle, and some starting points for the fellow to consider (including the excellent Chart).
But to narrow things down a bit, this fellow will not spend any time in .mil or .LEO. He will engage in recreational shooting, plinking, home defense, and possibly some basic level competition (3 gun, ipsc).
Oh, and maybe he will be a division commander when the zombies come. 
This thread is quite useful because a lot of people have widely different concepts of what the battlefield might be and thus which rifle would be best. It is also to see people reaching outside the traditional AR15 platform based on their conception of the needs which must be addressed on a battlefield.
OH, the laser. I have no flipping idea what my friend is attempting to do with that (trim his eyebrows?).
The firearm one knows well and goes bang.
As for any “battlefield” my butt is going to be staying out of the way to live and then thrive as much as possible. There is way more to know, then I will ever know about, with regards to total chaos and death then what gun is best suited for it.
A MK12 SPR
SR-25 or SR-15 depending on enviorment. If only 1, SR-25 to cover all bases.
I’ve just been reading a great series at Survival Cache which breaks down several great AR rifle options you can check out Part 6 here: http://survivalcache.com/survival-rifle-survival-carbine-ar15-part-6/ and from there you can link to to the other articles in the series if interested.
Personally I am leaning toward the PWS AR setup and am also a fan of the MK114. I was thinking about the LWRC system for awhile but I like the single piece GPS in the PWS and the weight is just right as well. If I wasn’t concerned with swapping with an AR-15 lower I already had and I had more cash I would probably go with the FN SCAR which is super light as well and has some great reviews from the field.
6.8mm is an intermediate cartridge, as is the 5.56, 7.63x39, etc. It was alluded to by AC that the definition of a ‘battlefield rifle’ is one that fires a full power rifle cartridge, i.e. 30 cal. That is correct in the traditional sense. So the field narrows a bit, as no one really uses a battle rifle as a primary issue item any longer.
You may have some 3rd world countries throwing out a few FAL’s or G3’s, but it would seem to be primarily limited to gorilla forces and ‘revolutionaries’. Although, I still think some SA countries i.e. Chile, Argentina, etc. may still use the FAL as a battle rifle, while one or two others and a couple of Central Am. countries use the Galil in 7.62x52mm. I am not up on it like I used to be.
Nevertheless, it would seem that the AR10 type is the premier platform at this time. I still see an issue with standardization of parts and even mags though. Correct me if I am wrong on this.
I see the same issues as you Coleslaw. Spare parts and mags could be an issue. I would choose a KAC or LMT in .308.