??? on older Rem 870 express

Fellas, I need some opinions on what I have here… I have a older 870 express magnum, I don’t remember exactly when I bought it, I’m thinking in the 80’s It has a metal triggerguard, and I think the flexi tab shell carrier, (I’m assuming this a flexi tab as it has a “U” shaped cut in it. I’don’t know if the extractor is mim or not, (how do you tell) the barrels (slug and shot) do not have a detent in then although it appears that the hole for them were drilled. Letter prefix on serial number begins with “B” and ends with “M” serial # range is 103XXX… The only mods I’ve done to it was, drill out the crimps in the mag tube to allow the installation of a Wilson Combat mag tube extension. What shooting I’ve done with it it seems to work fine, After reading the sticky above "870 police vs express, I’m wondering if this shotgun would be a decent candidate for a HD shotgun. Also does anybody know when this shotgun was made? or can you steer me to some info? honestly I forget exactly when I bought it.

ETA: a little further research, and I found a site that had the date code info I was looking for, this shotgun was made in June,1994, Basically I’m wondering if this would be worthwhile to sink a few bucks into, What I’d like to buy is a 18" cyl bore barrel, with just a basic bead front sight, and the correct detent installed…

If it is in good shape, why not?

The main challenge using the 870 for HD is to get a light setup you like. I have a Surefire forend, and while it works well, it’s heavy and expensive.

I suspect the Magpul forend with an Inforce attached might be a good reasonably priced alternative but I haven’t tried it.

Also, FWIW, I’d avoid pistol grip stocks. I tried the Mesa stock adaptor and besides being expensive, it feels all wrong.

I think the 870 w/18" barrel, a shell extension, a light and some Federal #1 Flite Control buck would be a reasonable modestly priced, effective HD option.

-john

The easiest way to accurately date without contacting Remington is by the barrel code located on the left side of the barrel just in front of the receiver. It should be two letters, for example KR. The first letter is month, the second is the year.

The serial number prefix ‘B’ fits within a 3-4 year range from 1994 to 1997 according to the notes in my armorer’s manual. The ‘M’ denotes that it is a Magnum Receiver.

I believe that Remington’s QC in the 90’s was good enough I’d trust it. If you’ve fired it very much the action should be smooth. The lack of detent balls on the barrels is no big deal if you are using the wave washer with the Wilson extended tube. I’d get a new Wilson spring and a new wave washer if it has been sitting loaded for an extended period.

The heavier carrier dog spring is not that big of a deal to me, I’ve used 870’s since the mid 70’s, the first police shotguns I used were merely Wingmasters with 18 or 20 inch barrels. Remember, Remington has sold slug guns for hunters for years without the heavier carrier dog spring, so like I said, I wouldn’t be too worried about replacing it. If you decide you want to here is a source - http://www.midwayusa.com/product/129237/remington-carrier-latch-spring-1100.

Likewise the sear spring is a matter of preference, it runs you up to 5-7 pounds, here is a source - http://www.midwayusa.com/product/440264/remington-sear-spring-870-heavy.

I think you could replace them yourself if you want. If you get them, I or someone else can walk you through it.

The next thing is the forearm, I assume you might want to carry additional ammo, and for my money a sidesaddle is the best way to do this. TacStar makes a 4 pack side saddle that will fit with your hunting forearm. It is pricey - http://www.tacstar.com/home/4-shot.php - you can maybe get it cheaper elsewhere. I have a fleet of 28 training shotguns, we have TacStars on everyone of them, they are constantly stripping threads in the aluminum plates. For your use, they’d probably be fine, for constant use not so great IMO.

The other option is velcro - this is what I have on my personal shotguns - http://www.skdtac.com/Esstac-Shotgun-Card-p/ess.106.htm - cheaper and if you have a couple you can just slap them on. I haven’t done this yet, but I’m thinking you could take a box cutter with a fresh blade and cut it down to fit with the longer forearm.

For a light mount here is what I’d do - http://www.gggaz.com/remington-870-sling-and-flashlight-combo-mount.html - then you could either use a pistol WML or any other rail compatible mount. Not sure how it would interface with the Wilson, but since Wilson sells a sling mount of the same type, I’d bet it would work.

For HD weapons I don’t keep slings mounted so I’m not going to address that. My belief is I’ve either put the guy down and am covering him, or I’ve emptied the weapon and either 1) thrown it at him or 2) clubbing him to death with it. YMMV.

The older Wingmasters are usually said to be solid performers.

The Magpul forend and Inforce WML are far better for my needs, so much so that I replaced my Surefire with them. I used the cantilever picatinny rail section and mount it with the end that tappers down toward the back where my thumb rides. Unlike the Surefire, I can activate the light and shoot without repositioning my hand. It feels far more natural to my medium sized mitts. It also puts the light ON the forend where I want it, unlike some mounts that attach to the barrel/mag tube. The 9:00 mounting lights the front sight on my 18" 870P.

As far as the Federal #1 Flite Control LE ammo, I sure would like to find some. No one seems to have any. DocGKR did a very nice thread on it.

Watch the big online ammo suppliers. Occasionally they’ll have a police order overstock. You’ll probably have to buy a case, but you’ll be set for the foreseeable future.

Looks like I found my case at Ammoman.

-john

Gentleman:
Thanks to all for responding… especially you 26inf…your post gave me a lot to mull over. Basically, I’m wanting to use this 870 as a HD shotgun (after my AR) and I’m not wanting to dump a lot of money I don’t have into it. It looks like I’ll be able to do just that. Right now, it’s wearing a 20" slug barrel that came with it. Not exactly what I want, But it’ll work until I find a 18’ bbl. Hunting season is getting started, so, I’ll cruise the new/used bbl racks, and keep my eyes open. While I haven’t fired it yet with the extended tube on,(basically I installed it, went outside, loaded it, cycled the action a few times to make sure it’d feed with the new tube on, and set it back in the safe) I have shot it in the past, and it never gave me any problems, the action is pretty smooth. So, I think I’ve got a good candidate for a HD shotgun, and if I want to go bird/rabbit hunting, I’ve still got my Ithaca M37…

Whn you say slug barrel, is it a rifled barrel or the 20" smooth bore with rifle sights? Just curious.Your 870 Express Magnum is about the same vintage as mine which has given me years of problem free service. One option for a barrel is find a longer barrel cheap and send it to Rose Action Sports in Pembroke KY. Steve can cut the barrel, install a bead and even install a detent. They can also lengthen the forcing cone and thread it to use Rem-Choke choke tubes. Prices are VERY reasonable and turn around is very fast.
I have had a couple of barrels cut down and threaded for choke and I have been happy with all of them.

Actually, I have both…But right now it has the smooth bore barrel installed… I’ll just keep my eyes peeled at gunshows, I figure used barrels for a 870 are a dime a dozen, It should 'nt be too hard to find what I want.