I use my AR for hog and coyote control several times a week. The terrain varies from river bottom with thick brush and open pastures…to South Texas brush and long senderos.
I get shots from too close to too far away. (Point blank to 300+)
I have a Vortex on a P.E.P.R. mount I also have MI sights that are pretty much useless with the scope mounted. The AR is useless when I get up close and personal with a pissed off 300# hog.
I seen “gotM4” post a pick of an AR with offset sights. I think that would work for me.
I have found 3 different options.
From JP Rifles…
JPROS - A true quick detachable 45 degree rail offset adapter for any Picatinny accessory. This can be used on typical quad rail hand guards to yield a 45 degree on bore axis position (1:30 or 10:30 position). For example, the JPoint or JP Short Range Tactical Sight (JP-SRTS can be mounted on two JPA-ROS at 1:30 for a right handed operator.
From Daniel Defense…
The Daniel Defense 1 O’clock Offset Rail is optimized for mounting miniature red dot optics in the 1 O’clock (right-hand) or 11 O’clock (left-hand) positions for quick, non-magnified, transitions when employing magnified primary optics on AR-type rifles with MIL-STD-1913 rails. The geometry allows for zero cheek-weld shift during the transition. This facilitates very fast transitions from magnified to non-magnified optics, and back. The 1 O’clock Offset Rail can also be used to mount a variety of lights or other accessories that mount to a MIL-STD-1913 rail. By flipping the part upside-down, one can mount a light in a good position for use with a vertical foregrip.
From Yankee Hill…
Dovetail Angle Mounts
These mounts are great when used with scopes, flashlights, lasers etc. Accessories are mounted at a 45 degree angle. When used with scopes the iron sights remain visible. Made from aircraft quality aluminum and hardcoated to Mil. Specs. Available in one slot, 3 slot, and 5 slot configurations.
The JPROS seems to be the only one on axis with the bore.
Not sure if TX hog hunting is different than FL, or how much so, but I keep coming back to using a 1-4x with a cattail on the adjustment knob so I can quickly switch between the two.
Why would you have two different sets of iron sights on a rifle or a RDS with offset irons? The only thing that comes to mind would be if the second set of sights are set to a different zero.
I was looking for the perfect 45 degree offset solution for a long time and they finally came out. I shoot 3-Gun and Tactical shoots. Bought some a few weeks back and they are exactly like the LMT BUIS but offset. I love them!
Dueck Defense Rapid Tansition Sights at Harris Tactical
& pics for you to see:
Ok so this thread really has me thinking about the offset concept.
It’s not like it adds all that much weight.
And I’ve considered doing it. I just haven’t gotten there yet.
I do have a question though.
Given that you are now rolling this thing ejection port up and more in line with your eyes/ face (vs more away in the vertical position) are there any concerns about anything coming out of the ejection port. Brass or…?
Would some of the crappy ammo be inclined to be an issue where the better made (burning) ammo be less an issue?
And before ya say it: Yes, I wear eye protection.
I’ve got a lot of trigger time, training and years experience and I’m thinking its really not an issue but I’m certainly open to other experiences/ theories.
I see a good number of folks do it. I just never read any concerns nor has it ever been addressed in a training course I’ve attended.
I also don’t want to take over the OP’s thread so if its not appropriate to chase this topic here Mods please move it.
I have had zero issues with the brass coming at me. If you have an AR without a brass deflector, I would assume you may get hit in the face. Also, how far will your face be from the deflector? When I am on the Rifle, my face has plenty of distance from any brass.
There is a better chance that the rear sight would be hit by brass than your face. Both are unlikely as this sight is in use with some fellow 3-gunners. No issues. Good question though.
Of course there’s a reason. Mini Red Dot Sights can fail (i.e., battery, mechanical failure, etc.) and the cost difference is substantial for the good sights.
Trijicon RMR is by far the most reliable and strongest mini Red Dot sight. Then again, $400-$500 for the sight plus the $100 plus 45 mount and it can still break.
Trust me, I thought about all of my options and believe I made a solid choice. I learned to shoot on iron sights and do it well. Both eyes open in a close situation and just as fast with red dots. I think every AR shooter needs to learn the fundamentals with iron sights before buying red dots. Just my opinion.
