Official M4C UFO thread!

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I didn’t think there was an official thread on UFOs. Where do you all fall on UFOs? Me, I feel there’s simply too much evidence to ignore at this point, and I think you all know me know I’m not given to conspiracy stuff.

But, the number of hard sitings from highly qualified people, such as fighter and commercial pilots, astronauts, etc. etc. is overwhelming at this point.

For example:

Leroy Gordon Cooper, Jr. (March 6, 1927 – October 4, 2004), was a NASA astronaut. Cooper was one of the seven original astronauts in Project Mercury, the first manned space effort by the United States. He was the first American to sleep in orbit, flew the longest spaceflight of the Mercury project, and was the last American to be launched alone into Earth orbit and conduct an entire solo orbital mission. Later he also participated in the Gemini project. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBZXkfgEABs

He’s far from the only astronauts who has had such experiences BTW.

Some of the physical evidence highly suggestive.

People I personally know, who I considered highly qualified to know the difference between things like weather balloons, swamp gas, full moons, commercial plans, etc, - due to both their backgrounds and personalities - have seen UFOs and relayed the experiences.

As reliable witnesses not given to making sh*& up and not knowing a extra large full moon from a black dead silent craft hovering right over them, etc, I consider them beyond reproach.

I stress the “unidentified” part of UFO. From another planet or high tech military hardware, or something else, I don’t know. But, something has been in the air space a long time.

We now have some highly placed officials coming out to state UFOs, and aliens in them, are real.

Clearly, they are fully aware that by doing such a thing they are jeopardizing their reputations, careers, and legacy by doing it.

Are they nuts? Simply in search of their 15 minutes? I’m not sure at this point, but I feel the evidence is simply too great to not conclude there’s something in the U category regularly in the airspace and the gubment - or at least entities within - knows more about the nature of those UFOs than they admit to.

When I have put similar posts up on other forums, I have gotten some very interesting PMs from people either unwilling or unable to post their experiences on a public forum. A few were pretty damn amazing, often current mil with clearances to protect.

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As long as you differentiate between “alien beings” and UFO’s, I’m good. I’ve seen things in the air that I haven’t been able to identify conclusively as an aircraft, weather balloon, etc., so technically I’ve seen a UFO. Odd, yes. But a visitor from another planet (or the future)? I’m skeptical to say the least.

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Nobody wants to hear my theory on UFO’s because I agree with L.A. Marzulli, Tom Horn, and Chris Putnam that they are part of the “Great Deception” for the Last Days before Jesus returns.

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Healthy skepticism always a good thing :cool:

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Given the size of the universe you would think it would be a given that the probability of life on other planets is high.

My main question has always been why would they come? The nothing here an advanced culture with ftl travel, etc could gain from. What would be the impetus for them to stop at a backwater planet?

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Considering the shear numbers, even your most conservative scientists working in that arena would generally agree. However, that’s totally different issue to their having the ability/tech to visit us.

Why not? Seems to me exploration is a common trait of intelligent creatures.

Unknown. We only have human motives to go by at this time. I can think of a number of reasons, all of which would be a WAG on my part.

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There are more galaxies in the universe than our minds can possibly comprehend, each containing billions of stars. If you lived to be 100 years old, never slept and counted by one each second from the day you were born you could not come close to counting all of the stars in even one of the billions of galaxies out there.

The odds for life elsewhere are almost impossibly high, this unless the universe is not what we perceive.

For context: http://www.universetoday.com/102630/how-many-stars-are-there-in-the-universe/

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Didn’t infer that there wasn’t life on other planets. I’d be shocked if there wasn’t. I have a hard time believing due to the vast distance, even allowing for faster than light travel, “transporter” devices and/or worm hole, that any (obviously) advanced civilization would 1) be interested in our backwoods planet; 2) much less find us in the vastness of the universe. IF I were inclined, I’d much more likely believe that “they” MIGHT be from our future. It solves both the interest and proximity problems. But that’s a big “if” and “might” on my part.

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I have a buddy that in the mid seventies was in broadcasting and they were covering this topic. A local stopped by and claimed to be a USAF photographer at Roswell (IIRC). He gave him 2 high resolution b/w glossy photos of the crash and occupants that he still had accessed to. I guess not all the negatives got turned in. Interesting photos, the burn victim’s helmets looked a little like the ones in earth vs flying saucers. My father was an avid astronomer and extreme skeptic on this subject. We borrowed the photos to examine. With a glass I noticed in the wreckage framework there appeared to be a hex nut…:wink: I’ll contact him again and see if he can dig them up and scan.

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The how of it, there’s a number of possibilities we know of (with what’s just the beginning of our knowledge in truth), none of which break the known laws of physics. What “they” know may be thousands, tens of thousands, or millions of years ahead of us.

I agree, with our current knowledge and understanding of it, the distances make it seem improbable.

The why, I think is not worth considering personally as it may be very simple and something we’d easily understand to motivations we couldn’t fathom.

It’s all hypothesis at this time to be sure I’ll wager more likely than say discovering Big Foot any time soon. :stuck_out_tongue:

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You make good points and I also believe it at the very least possible that we are visited by future humans or whatever it is we evolve into by the time that technology is available.

But it’s also interesting that you’re comfortable with this scenario, and the unfathomably advanced technology that would accompany it, but not so regarding a visitor from within our galaxy. Also to think we could possibly understand the capabilities of an advanced alien civilization a million or more years our senior in extremely naive.

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or it like bird watchers :slight_smile:
hey lets go check out those humans again ! they are always fun to watch haven’t been there since we gave them the plans for the pyramids ? wonder if they finished ?

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I did say “obviously advanced” didn’t I?

Yes, technology is wonderful and information/knowledge does lead to unforeseen advances (James Burke-Connections anyone?).

As to why an alien would want to study Earth? Perhaps for the very same reasons we study ants. To better understand the ecology of the planet but also to better control/destroy them. Perhaps we are the key to the salvation of all life in the Universe. I’m sure some think that highly of our place in the pecking order. I have serious doubts that we are all that important. Equally, I doubt the universe would fold up and go away if man, the Earth or even the solar system suddenly vanished.

But again, you guys are saying the vast universe must house many intelligent and advanced civilizations, and I have to agree. The odds are stacked against there not being any other life out there. But I also see the vastness working against even finding this particular world we call home, much less regularly traveling here. Needle in a hay stack on a galactic scale.

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I think any alien species capable of visiting us would be capable of doing so without our knowledge.

I think in most cases any alien species visiting us would probably not be beneficial to us so I tend to think we just aren’t interesting enough for the “in depth” study some believe occurs from time to time.

I think it’s kind of like the time travelers rule. The fact that they aren’t here, means they aren’t coming.

I think it is mostly massive human ego (surely they’d visit US because we are so significant and special) combined with human wishful thinking (that would be the coolest thing ever if they came).

I think life exists everywhere an environment exists that can support it, and I find it likely that self aware intelligent life eventually evolves in many case even though habitable environments for such life seem to be incredibly rare given our current understanding.

But I don’t believe the Adamsky type cases, I don’t think we have recovered spacecraft at Area 51 or anywhere else and I certainly don’t think we have bodies on ice.

Perhaps we were visited some time in the past 252 million years ago, that could explain the Permian extinction event for all we really know.

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my dad and uncle were pilots also were in the Air Force and flew in Korea
dad did some training and some test stuff for the Air Force he talked about flying around Tonopah back in the early 50s quite a bit and testing some planes

fact is most airline pilots wont talk about what they have seen since they would be called crazy and stuff so they tend not to bother

most pilots are smart well educated and know what other flying things are in the sky so when they surely dont know what it is ya have to wonder

heard some great stories :slight_smile:

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Oh I’m sure there is life off of Earth; just not convinced they are visiting us.

Probably many of the legitimate UFO sightings are just classified/experimental aircraft. Even if an astronaut or experienced pilot sees one of these they may not know what they’re looking at (it’s not as if they’ll all be read into those program(s)). Just look at all the stories about Jack Woolams screwing with other pilots.

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Very likely, but for example, Buzz Aldrin discusses being tracked by a UFO in space. In fact, regular sightings of objects tracking them was very common and reported by crew:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KpfvhdmhQy4

That would be some mighty advanced black project stuff to be out there following them around in space at that time…and check out vid in OP.

Classified/experimental aircraft just does not cover it for me personally.

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they dont just send up test pilots in test planes into open air space where other test pilots can trick them ?

chances are most all pilots that are commercial or military would know the difference of current test being OK thats wild vs something they cant explain

yes many lay people have just seen test aircraft but many pilots have seen things that are not test planes

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Some of the craft are viewed by multiple highly qualified people (mil and or commercial pilots) and tracked on mil and or commercial radar simultaneously, and are capable of performance not just outside of anything we may have, but the very laws of physics as we understand them.

Going from speeds that would make the the SR-71 look like it’s standing still to a dead stop (which should kill everything inside) and making directional changes at right angles and such which should be simply impossible, to simply vanishing on both radar and visual.

Some think it’s it built by us, but tech taken from them. Regardless, performance that defies physical laws like inertia, gravity, etc. would make everything we have obsolete.

So far, everything we have that went from black bag skunk works stuff to public knowledge, has been amazing stuff, but not even close to that.

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They were also seeing white flashes in their vision and had no idea what that was for some time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray_visual_phenomena

Now I’m not here to dismiss their object sighting along those lines or say it was swamp gas. But I don’t think we can make a case either way. I believe them when they say they saw something, but I’m not convinced it was any kind of craft let alone one that was tracking them.

The “face on Mars” phenomenon comes to mind, the human mind tends to view unrecognizable objects in familiar or expected ways. Their UFO could have been nothing more than a space rock that was following a similar path for a time.

Of course if I was an extra terrestrial explorer with advanced technology I might make my craft to look like an ordinary space rock to I could remain undetected.