Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia

[b]April 11, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama

Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia

Huffpo’s Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama’s remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won’t be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama’s seeking:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
That’s a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.[/b]

(Retrieved April 12, 2008, from http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Obama_on_smalltown_PA_Clinging_religion_guns_xenophobia.html )

Yeah, I heard this on Levin last night. Obama honest to god just does not understand most Americans, yet somehow he knows how to motivate people. It truly amazes me how many that I talk to and tell about stuff like this and they tel me that I am “lying and there is no way someone running for prez could feel like that”. Sorry saps:(

Here’s the kick in the pants -

Even if 'Bama doesn’t get elected President, he’ll be a very powerful Senator because of the popularity he’s demonstrated during the campaign. The President does a lot of things, but the Senate/Congress create the laws that can either help us or hurt us.

Don’t think…Drink!

Obam-Aid

Great bumpersticker

He’s an smug, arrogant ass!

It gets more interesting.

http://http://apnews.myway.com//article/20080412/D900GM0G0.html

By JIM KUHNHENN and CHARLES BABINGTON

MUNCIE, Ind. (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama on Saturday conceded that comments he made about bitter working class voters who “cling to guns or religion” were ill chosen, as he tried to stem a burst of complaints that he is condescending.

“I didn’t say it as well as I should have,” he said at Ball State University.

As he tried to quell the furor, presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton hit Obama with one of her lengthiest and most pointed criticisms to date.

“Senator Obama’s remarks were elitist and out of touch,” she said, campaigning about an hour away in Indianapolis. “They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans.”

At issue are comments Obama made privately at a fundraiser in San Francisco last Sunday. He explained his troubles winning over working class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

“It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

The comments, posted on the Huffington Post political Web site Friday, set off a storm of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and other GOP officials. It threatened to highlight an Obama weakness - the image that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and aloof.

His campaign scrambled to defuse possible damage caused with working class voters that Obama needs to win in upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania and Indiana.

There has been a small “political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois, who are bitter,” Obama said Saturday morning at a town hall-style meeting at the university. “They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they’re going through.”

“So I said, well you know, when you’re bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people, they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country.”

After acknowledging his previous remarks in California could have been better phrased, he added:

"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. That’s what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don’t feel like they are being listened to.

"And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families. You know this in your own lives, and what we need is a government that is actually paying attention.

Clinton attacked Obama’s remarks much more harshly Saturday than she had the night before, calling them “demeaning.” Her aides feel Obama has given them a big opening, pulling the spotlight away from more troubling stories such as former President Clinton’s recent revisiting of his wife’s misstatements about an airport landing in Bosnia 10 years ago.

Obama is trying to focus attention narrowly on his remarks, arguing there’s no question that some working class families are anxious and bitter. The Clinton campaign is parsing every word, focusing on what Obama said about religion, guns, immigration and trade.

Clinton hit all those themes in lengthy comments to manufacturing workers in Indianapolis.

“I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakable faith in America and its policies,” she said. “Now, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it’s a matter of constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it’s a matter of personal faith.”

“I grew up in a churchgoing family …,” she continued. "The people of faith I know don’t ‘cling’ to religion because they’re bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich …

“I also disagree with Senator Obama’s assertion that people in this country ‘cling to guns’ and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration,” she said.

“People don’t need a president who looks down on them,” she said. “They need a president who stands up for them.”

One of Clinton’s staunchest supporters, Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., acknowledged there was some truth in Obama’s remarks. But Republicans would use them against him anyway, Bayh said.

“We do have economic hard times, and that does lead to a frustration and some justifiable anger, it’s true,” Bayh told reporters after introducing Clinton in Indianapolis. “But I think you’re on dangerous ground when you morph that into suggesting that people’s cultural values, whether it’s religion or hunting and fishing or concern about trade, are premised solely upon those kinds of anxieties and don’t have a legitimate foundation independent of that.”


Associated Press Writer Charles Babington contributed from Indianapolis.

I used to not like him and think he was a fool. Now, I see that he really is a silver tongued politician and of the worst kind. I think this will dog him for the rest of his career (if I have anything to do with it, it will for darn sure!).

At least McCain will tell you what he thinks and let you sort it out…

I may not like his policies but I do admire his forthrightness.

My vigor has been renewed, thanks Senator Obama for revealing your character.

It’s not what Obama say’s, the Libs don’t care what he says.

He has a very good speaking voice. He’s not a Clinton. He’s a Liberal Hero at the right time and right place, and it doesn’t matter what he says. Its not the content of his speech, other than everything is the United States fault.

you are the enemy and Obama’s going to squash you.

The Libs think they are going to Steam Roll us and they don’t care who’s driving the Steam Roller, just so long as he hates the United States, and the Clintons are old worn out news.

Semper Fi,
Tipy

The libs can drink it up if they want to. The libs don’t decide elections. Neither do the conservatives for that matter. The battle is always for the middle.

It is Mr and Mrs. independant moderate which one of thoes two groups to throw in with.

And they don’t like the kind of crap Barry O has been spewing as of late.

As Ron Popeil would say, “But WAIT, there’s MORE!!!” :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

Well the duct tape held and I made it through a Huffpost comment section without my head exploding.

It was enlightening, these folks really do not seen how Sen. Obama’s statement could be considered condescending or elitist. There were several that tried, but they were drowned out by the caterwalling of the rest of the commenters. There are some days that I wish there really was such a thing as a clue-bat and that I could swing it for a while

Even John McCain has voted anti gun. The Understanding that I have is that he has never voted antigun on lagre issued but just on small issues. I wonder were AR 15’s would fall?---------------Very seriously we need alot more Organision. stay a member of the NRA but I think that we need an additional organision who would list millions of people who swear to never give up their guns. and sware to protect each other. or some other Idea, but we need to start somthing now.

Is anyone really shocked that Obama said this…really?

[b]Quick Vote
Is faith or religion important in your choice of presidential candidates?

Yes 34% 7011
No 66% 13351

Total Votes: 20362 [/b]
(Retrieved on April 14, 2008, from http://www.cnn.com/ )

If “faith or religion” is not important to two-thirds of Americans then neither is morality. Is this an indication that we have become an immoral country? :frowning:

DO NOT pay attention to “snap” polls like this. They are completely worthless for determining anything. Basically what happened was that the “Atheist Action League” nuked the poll meaning they voted early and often.

How many firearms “snap” polls have we seen posted on forums such as this?

As for morality a county or nation can’t be immoral or moral. It is a political entity subject to the whims of man. Only a person can be moral/immoral, you probably have many immoral people out there…probably most of them, but that is not a reflection on our country so much as humanity…and that has not changed in 5000 years of civilization.

As Mark Twain said “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

As for obama, I think this was one of those rare moments when a politician slips and says what he really thinks. Clinton has got some serious brass criticizing him when you know darn well she agrees with everything he said.

We’re just ignorant peasants with our outdated religious beliefs - and dangerous because of those guns we have no business having!

As for HuffPo, I stay away from there. I wasted way too much time there, but it was a valuable learning experience. While one lefty in a hundred can be reasoned with the vast majority are, regardless of age and gender, teenage girls.

Anything that hurts obama helps hillary and that’s good - we need hillary running against mcCain, not Jim Jones:D .

Actually, Twain used the phrase while attributing it to Benjamin Disraeli.

"Barack Obama lashed out at rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, saying “Shame on her” and mocking her vocal support for gun rights … "

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/angry-obama-lashes-out-at-clinton/20080414063809990001