Yeah man, We currently have 3 type of gun we can choose from, Glock 19, the Sig P226 and S&W 5946. I used to have the Smith but I switch to glock since that specific smith is basically almost out of the window in terms of production. Eventually they will come with the MP but their testing standards are “high” and if Smith does not meet that, then bye bye.
I’m not a LEO, so please correct me if I’m wrong here, but…
NYC, depending on the time of day, can have anywhere between 7-9 million people within city limits. It is the largest city in the US, and is one of the top five largest cities in the world. The NYPD has around 40,000 officers. To put into perspective how large the NYPD is, the LAPD has around 9,000 officers.
It is not surprising to me that there are more NDs in larger departments with more people. A department that has 1 ND a year with a total of 100 officers, IMO, has given its officers the same amount of training as a department that has 400 NDs a year with a total of 40,000 officers.
It is also not surprising to me that they want to limit liability by raising the trigger weight due to having so many employees with loaded guns on their waist. It is probably cheaper to raise the trigger weight and reduce the potential for a ND that way, than to properly train 40,000 people to be perfect with a pistol.
I’m not saying this is right, I’m just looking at this realistically, and how I would imagine the person in charge thinks of it. I think a Glock with a 12+ pound trigger is ridiculous and unnecessary, and I think anyone paid to carry a pistol should be proficient with it.
Ours is leaving the M&P. Having issues getting a steady supply of parts and seeing some issues. Rumor is going to the G22. I’m sad to see the M&P go, it’s way more comfortable to shoot
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You hit the spot baby, although the only correction I will say here is that is actually 35,000 instead of 40 but you are correct in every detail you just pointed out, it is actually cheaper for them to just add the 12 pound trigger.
I personally haven’t touch a MP yet but I have co-workers who have it just for range shooting and they say they love it. I also have seen people commenting on the issues that are arising with the gun, but hey, is a tool, and tools tend to have problems.
They are “in the testing” process with the gun, and think they have been for the past 2 years, but hey, it is the NYPD.
I sold my glock to buy one. Much more ergonomic. I’ll never leave the platform for a striker fired gun.
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My choice was the MP instead of the glock if it was available, And I been wanting it since I heard the rumor at the range about the MP, and I thought it was going to come out quick but, 2 years passed and still not here, then decided for the glock, the sig is to big for my hand.
I’m really wanting to get the new M&P CORE. I like that Smith is moving towards catering to people who will run their guns hard, but they need to keep production up to support repairs.
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Yep that gun is very tempting… LOL
AMEN!!!
LOL. I always thought and still think that in the police force we need to look out for our brothers and sisters but in the situation they looking out for the pockets… Dont get me wrong, I dont mind paying taxes as long as its being used the right way…
its a great thing that we are not authorized to carry the Kahr K9 off duty anymore. Everybody traded their Kahr to the gun shops and got a brand new Glock 26 for $100 for it. Life is beautiful… except for having the 12 pound trigger pull 
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Indeed. This is old news to guys still on or were still on with the city within the last 7 years or so. I carried the kahr off duty for about a year or so and sold it to a Brooklyn south cop just before the issues started cropping up and kahr reps were hauled into trailers at Rodman’s to overhaul every k9, department wide during quals. Got into a gen 3 glock 26 and never looked back. I believe last I heard there were some accuracy related issues with the Gold dot and the full size 9mm M+P so they’re still working with Smith to work that out. No more 5946s will be made so either Smith makes the M+P work or the range guys will be looking elsewhere for a third duty gun option. I believe the gen 4 glocks only recently got approved and it was transmitted citywide through FINEST. As a side note, a decent sized county agency where I work had Smith 9mms much like the 5946, albeit with a much lighter trigger pull. Their commissioner is a city transplant who carried the city mindset over, and all that entails, refusing to allow a change to a .40 caliber duty gun used by the majority of departments in the county. Their union polled all the departments in the county for their duty guns and forced the admins to transition to the MP 40 and they haven’t looked back since.
Fat chance things would ever move quickly enough in the city.
Yes sir, but only the off duty version. Now, I saw that about 3 months ago, probable from that time to now they must have or should be approving the on duty.
Same circumstances probably the same time served or less. Also an ordinary citizen is not placed in these type of situations at near the same level of frequency. Ordinary citizens are given the benefit of the doubt more because they are not expected to have the same level of training.
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I would much rather see a handgun with a good trigger that´s conductive to accurate shooting in the hands of Police officers. I never understood the whole deal with the heavy triggers for the NYPD and similar departments.
Usually the higher ups who select a duty weapon for an agency will never have to carry the weapon. They are either the agency know-it-all, or are grossly incompetent.
That´s most likely the reason for those kinds of decisions. It´s the same here in Luxembourg. I guess our “higher ups” know better than pretty much the rest of the world, that´s why we are still stuck with S&W 686/620 revolvers:rolleyes:
Given the culture in the higher echelon, I’m curious about something. If a street cop were to seek out his own training, let’s say on a regular basis, and it came to the attention of the higher-ups, would they look at that with suspicion and concern? Would their reaction be, “Hey, WE decide to what level you will be trained. WE think it’s better for everyone that you don’t get too good at this. The last thing we need here is people that know how to shoot. If you learn how to shoot, there might be a shooting! By learning how to shoot better than WE want, you are on the edge of violating policy.”
I don’t understand the point of your post. So what if they have different weapons. Why do you think its stupid?
You can get training on your own. However, wen you go to the range and you start doing some funny stuff not being done in the range they will call your attention and tell you that they didn’t teach you that, if you say you learn it somewhere they gonna answer to leave at home and do it their way.