Does anyone own a NTAC holster? They appear similar to Raven Phamtom, but about $10.00 cheaper. I’m interested in its functionality.
rip off of raven so they probably work pretty good 
As I recall, they actually bought a holster from Raven when they were getting started, and then started producing incredibly similar designs.
We throw around phrases like “buy once, cry once” and “you get what you pay for”, but everyone wants to save a buck. Buy Raven Concealment or Peters Custom Holsters, know that you’ll be supported down the line, and know that you’re not supporting intellectual dishonesty.
We throw around phrases like “buy once, cry once” and “you get what you pay for”, but everyone wants to save a buck. Buy Raven Concealment or Peters Custom Holsters, know that you’ll be supported down the line, and know that you’re not supporting intellectual dishonesty.
Good advise!
Just wondering…you have a source/reference for the above statement? Not saying that it did/didn’t happen, just wanted to see proof.
Oh I think maybe you use your google Fu and find out
there is a lot of truth to Jakes statement and others…
Anyone know or work with the guy(s) who run NTAC? I know guys who personally recommend Jay @ Raven, that his holsters are great is secondary – you know what I’m saying?
So, do we know the principals at NTAC? If so, I’d like to hear about them.
Couldn’t agree more, but one does have to wonder how much NTAC may be helped by the increased backlog at RCS and the inevitable griping and disgruntledness has followed.
This. I don’t have 5mos to wait for a couple holsters and besides… we’re talking about Kydex holsters here. I wasn’t aware Raven Concealment had a patent on all things Kydex. If they could get people holsters in a timely manner then we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I’m just calling it as I see it from the standpoint of someone looking for someone to give his money to for a product and wants to know who can get it to him quickest. I don’t think people should be criminalized for discussing it.
Then Dont wait.:rolleyes:
Criminal is taking someones Else’s hard work and idea’s and copying them for profit.
There are some design differences between the NTAC and Raven…I own both, NTAC for G17+TLR-1 and Raven M&P+TLR-1. Unless something has recently changed with NTAC the Raven is built with thicker kydex. It’s also a bit ‘thinner’ in terms of thickness of the gun. Also the area of the top of the holster where the light is inserted is MUCH wider on the NTAC, so much so that I can easily slip a finger in there and pull the trigger.
Otherwise pretty similar products. Haven’t had issues with either. One thing I do like about the NTAC double mag carriers is the raised edge on the rear of the carrier. IT comes up about an inch or so higher then the outside of the carrier, making it easier to insert a mag and not pinch yourself.
I dont think anyone is trying to criminalize anyone for discussing it.
There is a long wait on Raven products right now. They were/are a small operation that brought a great product to the market and now are flooded with orders. From what I’ve talked to Tom about, they are doing everything they can and are ramping up operations to get the wait time down.
I have ran Raven hard and have talked to the guys quite a bit and have nothing bad to say about them.
NTAC probably makes a great holster, your right its kydex, very similar. The owner is here in Michigan and many of us know and have met him. But would like to see original ideas and products, not an almost exact rip of some one else’s ideas and ingenuity. Hence why i wait for raven gear when I could possible get a very similar product in less time.
So its a personal choice that each of us have to make, yes there is a wait time… a long one. But they make a great product and even more importantly, they stand behind it 100 percent you can rest assured if you have a problem it will be fixed, period.
Just ran the holster through a MDFI class yesterday and have a Magpul next month, love the stuff.
I won’t.
It’s a Kydex holster. Since when does Raven Concealment own EVERYTHING that is Kydex firearm holsters? Let’s face it, it’s not an all new idea and it’s not like they were the first ones to do it. They made a slightly better mousetrap but it wasn’t different enough to patent or it would be. That means that if you can’t meet demand then others will step up to fill that supply need which has been done. Aside from Raven Concealment gaining fame from the Dynamic Handgun vidoes how are they different aside from needing to wait up to 6mos for a holster? I’m sure they’re a great bunch of guys based on what I’ve read but I (along with MANY others) aren’t going to wait around until winter to get holsters. I just don’t think a fellow member should be attacked for asking a simple harmless question. Where would we be now if there weren’t so many manufacturer’s of the same firearm platforms? Most are the same exact thing with their name stamped on the side. Again, if Raven could meet demand then I don’t think we would be having this conversation. The NTAC is about $20 less, may not be quite as good and doesn’t require several months wait to get one either. Seems like a good option to me.
You say that Raven stands behind their stuff and I get that but it shouldn’t be ignored that NTAC also has a lifetime warranty and based on their website also stands behind their product 100% so I wouldn’t say that waiting is necessarily going to be netting you more customer service. After all, isn’t being able to get product to a consumer in a timely manner a form of customer service? Just saying…
They’re both US companies and both offering a similar product so I don’t understand why some are trying to bash NTAC and make it sound like you are contributing to theft if you buy or even ask about them. I’m sorry but the wait times to get a friggin’ holster from Raven is just foolish. Sure if you have something now and can wait and like the Raven product better than fine… so be it. Some people like me just added a weapon light to a handgun and need a holster sooner than later and can’t afford to wait. So for people like me there’s another option and trying to criminalize them for doing so simply isn’t fair. Remember, we’re talking about kydex and a holster… neither of which did Raven Concealment invent and other manufacturers have been making kydex holsters LONG before Raven Concealment.
Like I said, i dont think that anyone is criminalizing anyone. we are simply stating why most of us here that know both companies choose raven.
And yes Rave doesnt “own” everything Kydex. but can you name one manufacture that was identical to ravens design, before raven?
and there is some “behind the scene” things that dont need to be aired on a public forum.
I havnt read one time anyone say that NTAC make crappy holsters, or that they wont cover them, or that the wait time is more.
i know alot of people that run NTAC and like them. and if thats what you want buy it, run it, and enjoy.
Some of us stated why we stick with Raven and why we choose to wait, no big deal.
im sure you’ll be happy with NTAC, i hear they make a great holster.
I have no problems with this post since it’s subjective and lends towards good discussion and this is how we as consumers choose the best product for our buying dollar. I just didn’t like the way this thread was headed right out of the gate and didn’t feel it was very subjective. The OP asked if they were similar products and it’s pretty clear that they are. All that’s left if nothing illegal is happening is price and customer service including how soon a customer can get the product. Some will weigh these things differently but to someone who needs a holster now or sooner then that’s going to be a more pressing issue. Right now it’s the little things that separate company A from company B so those are what need to be considered when making your decision.
Hi guys,
I won’t comment on any other holster manufacturers. There are a lot of options available in the market and I encourage everyone to select the version that best fits their needs.
But I will address this as it directly relates to us. We have never had a 6 month turn around time.
We currently have a backlog, as do many other holster manufacturers. It isn’t uncommon to wait a year or more with some other companies, and they still have a thriving pipeline because their customers feel the wait is worth it.
Everyone will have a different opinion on how long a holster “should” take to arrive, that is subjective. All I can say is to ask around, our gear is worth the wait.
Take care,
My wait time for a RCS Phantom for my g19 was almost 60 days to the day. The appear to be using thicker kydex for the belt loops now. I’m completely happy with it and the wait time considering the demand and my situation.
I had to go back to see what you were referring to and now I see that it was a typo on my part. I meant to say 3 months. I realize you make a good product and am not questioning that. I’m not even bringing the price difference into account. What I’m having a problem with is the timeframe it takes to receive a kydex holster. You say it’s worth the wait and I can appreciate the backing of your own product but that’s a very subjective statement because some people simply can’t wait. 3mos is simply not an option for many buyers. I feel like you believe that everyone is willing to wait and you’re not losing business but you are. I would like nothing more than to give you my money for two optioned out holsters but I, like many consumers, can’t/won’t wait for 3 moths w/o any solid effort brig made to cur down that wait time. If you’re expanding to create jobs and meet demand then I would have that as your signature to get the word out at every possible opportunity.
Sorry again for the typo and I appreciate the product you make but unfortunately I will have to go someplace that can fill my needs much sooner.
It is a Free America and a consumer market, but I’ll stick with Raven Concealment. They have excellent products, just wish they could get caught up a little on their demand. They are worth the wait.