Novice 1st Impressions: ACR vs. SCAR

Greetings - this will serve as my first post, but I have been reading the content here for a while. I like the protocol and overall courtesy and professionalism on this site.

I had a great opportunity to finally take my SCAR and ACR to the range today to fire them for the first time, and I thought I would offer my layman’s observations.

The caveats - I am a novice rifle shooter; I have much more experience with handguns, so I will not comment much on the accuracy of these rifles, and a lot of my observations are subjective due to this inexperience.

My range visit was for “coarse” sighting in of the Aimpoints mounted on each rifle (getting them on the paper and then into the bull’s eye to the best of my abilities). Shooting was from the bench and only out to 40m. I used 55 grain Winchester and Federal XM193 55 grain. My groups on both rifles with Aimpoints were about 2.5" to 3" (perhaps this should be embarrassing, but I’ve got to start somewhere).

It seems that there are two assessments when dealing with a firearm: perception and performance. Perception is when I hold it and assess its quality of assembly. Performance is when I shoot it, recoil, accuracy (moot for me right now), trigger, reliability, etc. I am sure there are many other factors.

Perception: It is interesting that the SCAR feels almost delicate and toy-like when handling it. I believe this is my perception due to its light weight. The ACR feels hefty and durable, possibly due to its heavier weight. Being a Land Rover enthusiast, I often associate weight with quality, but that also often results in misconception!

The ACR is definitely much more front heavy than the SCAR. I believe that Bushmaster really should offer a light profile barrel for the ACR.

As we have all read, the SCAR comes with additional features not offered on the basic ACR. I paid considerably less for the ACR basic than the SCAR, so I am okay on the price delta and do not feel as if I was ripped off with either.

It is clear, however, that both rifles are very well made and easy to disassemble/reassemble. Bushmaster should do something about that little rubber ring required for the bolt carrier assembly, though. I have not removed the barrels on either rifle.

For aesthetics, a highly subjective area, the ACR is a much nicer looking rifle, but I don’t wanna go down like Williams in “Enter the Dragon,” either. I call the SCAR “the camel,” because of its color and stock hump. It is ugly in a functionally beautiful way - kind of like a Land Rover.

Performance: This is where the SCAR showed its prowess, IMHO.

Recoil impulse on the lightweight SCAR is seemingly non-existent. The ACR seemed to have noticeably more recoil. It was very surprising to me. The SCAR’s toy-like feel completely disappeared upon firing the rifle. I have found this with other FN products like my light weight FNP-9. When I first looked at my FNP-45, I thought, “what a cannon.” Well, when I picked it up and fired it, it seemed as if it shrunk, and it is now my favorite handgun.

SCAR has the edge over the ACR on trigger pull. It seemed lighter to me with a slightly crisper reset.

For me, the placement of the safety/shoot switch on the SCAR was better than the ACR.

No problems with the reciprocating charging handle on the SCAR. I must be a freakin’ wimp, because for the life of me, my trigger/pointer finger could not release the ACR bolt down by the trigger guard. I guess I need to do some of those Bruce Lee finger pushups.

I did not shoot much ammunition at all - only 100 rounds total, but both rifles ran this limited amount with no problem. I switched rifles often and did not heat up barrels or perform “mag dumps” to torture these two new guns.

Final Thoughts: My first impression is that the SCAR is the superior firearm. How they compare and hold together in the long-term is another issue. Perhaps as I train with rifles and become more proficient, my impressions will change.

As of right now, if I could only grab one of these to scoot out the door with the wife and kids and blow out of town due to bad things happening, I would grab the SCAR.

Nice review, especially since you have both.

I hope to meet up with a fella here that has an ACR to review along with my SCAR.

Please keep us informed with your findings with both.

Thanks. I like both rifles a lot. I look forward to getting more experience on both as I learn how to shoot rifles.

One other thing that I forgot to mention was that overall I preferred the iron sights on the SCAR, particularly because of the narrow front sight post. The ACR Magpul front sight seems to be much thicker. On the flip side, the Magpul sights can be deployed really quickly just by lightly smacking them on the top or via the lever on the side.

I am not surprised by what I read. If Magpul had built the gun, I feel as if it would have turned out a lot better. When I heard that “Shrubmaster” was gonna be building the gun, I knew it was gonna be mainly hype. I have 2 friends who live out of state that bought ACR’s, and now they are selling them.

I really wanted to like the ACR, and really don’t like the SCAR (just from playing with them both). The SCAR may be one of the ugliest and most ungainly looking rifles I’ve ever seen. Those thoughts are about as subjective and combat-irrelevant as it gets, but here we are.

Luckily I’ve got a handsome AR to keep me cheerful.

agree with you on the SCAR, however we need to talk about your vehicle selection… :p:D Mine:

Very nice subjective review and very nice first post.

Alot of people are commenting on how light the recoil impulse is on the scar and ive always got to wonder if that is due to the FSC556 attached to the barrel.

Do you have any prior experience with compensators?

Most people are saying the ACR has a heavy recoil impulse but what are they comparing this to? An AK? An AR? An AR with a comp?

There are alot of factors here and i wish someone would expand on their statements regarding recoil.

I guess im just going to have to find a way to fire the darned ACR myself. :slight_smile:

TY for the comparative analysis!

I would also agrue that it is its bore line in regards to its ergonomics. I think the way the rifle is just lined up makes it “feel” like it doesn when firing…

I’ve kept up a thread on here about my SCAR and have detailed in that thread that I removed the brake and run a Vortex. The SCAR still has less felt recoil and muzzle jump than my favorite mid-length AR with the same barrel length and Vortex. There is so little recoil to start with in this caliber that it’s tough for many folks to care. I see it when running the timer - shot to shot.

Josh,

Good info man, thank you very much.

Magsz, I’ve just looked at this again, and yet again haven’t been able to find any difference objectively. SCAR in fact feels to be very steady on target, and many commented on easy control on full auto and with SCAR 17. However, I end up getting the same results with equally weighted and comped midlength AR as with SCAR. Most of my drills weren’t timed, but shooting 5 rounds strings at 50 yards as fast as I can while maintaining reasonable accuracy yields identical results.
Additionally, I think that SCAR actually recoils a bit stronger. Given that 5.56 recoil is mild to begin with, the difference is very minimal. But, owing to hot weather, I’ve been shooting in very light clothes during last 2 weeks and, absent dampening effect of gear or heavier layers, I feel fore-aft feedback from SCAR a bit stronger.

I wonder how much of this recoil issue is just subjective, percieved due to ergonomics. I would like to see recoil force measured by instruments before I believed to two very similar rifles had different recoil levels.

I think most of it is subjective. As I said, it took me to shoot it in paper-thin T-shirt to arrive to this conclusion - and I am sure that there are people that will come and call it BS.
I wish I knew there was a way to measure it objectively but I don’t know if such contraption exists. Trying to put any semblance of science under my conclusions, I can only say that reciprocating mass (bolt carrier and bolt) is considerably heavier in SCAR than AR.
Ultimately, the most objective assessment to me would be running timed drills repetitively and impartially and reporting results without emotional investment to one system vs. another - be it SCAR, ACR or AR.

yesterday i took my ACR, SCAR, MSAR, and AR shooting for the day.

The ACR is a dream shooting suppressed its like a airsoft gun in the recoil dept w a can, BUT i as i was shooting a hodgepodge of ammo from the “extras” can, and i had allot that would not run in the S setting, so i ended up shooting in the u setting even with my can. It needs true 5.56 pressure to run in the S setting. Trigger is to gritty and has a weird break. Still feels front heavy and my stock is a little to short. and it does take a manly finger to release the bolt.

SCAR, feels so lite and flickable, i do not have a adapter on it for my can, so i cannot talk about it suppressed. Trigger is stiff but crisp

MSAR, I hate how loud it is on your ear, its just weird going off on the side of your face, guess thats any bullpup though even with trigger work its not as good as the rest. Mag changes suck, and the adj on the MSAR scope are not very crisp

AR, i forgot how nice and familiar a AR is, glad i saved it for last. It felt like a part of me, i did miss the ambi safety, and got tired of huffing gas from the can be blown back at me, BUT if i could only have one it would be hard to give up.

AND…
two of these four had T1s, the MSAR had a MSAR 1.5 optic, and the AR15 had a eotech 512. The eotech just works for me, best bang for the buck out there.

I really believe this is the right answer.

I do get quicker times with my SCAR, but I don’t doubt for a second that it could change from person to person. I would agree that it is subjective due to ergonomics. It took a while for my times on the SCAR to get better than my times on the AR. I will say that the SCAR recoil impulse does feel different than the AR, now everyone would have to decide what carbine has more or less felt recoil.

Maybe it’s just the lack of the boing from the AR buffer/spring that speeds my time up, maybe I’m easily distracted - kidding of course.

I think we can all agree that the SCAR seems to be a better weapon than the ACR. True or not? Not saying the ACR is sub pare or crap but rather both are good but one comes out in front…

IMO,

The SCAR feels better than the ACR as far as shouldering it…to me. I did not like the ACR’s weight for what it is supposed to be…I can stick to my G36 for a plastic rifle, but I did like the positioning of the controls on the ACR…for me, I am split!

Question…who is claiming the ACR now? I am seeing BM advertisements & Remington advertisements…and yes I know that RMGTN owns BM…and they are both Cerebus (sp), but who is going to stake claim on the gun…or both!

Velcro

I think it is too early to say. I have zero interest in ACR but, in all fairness, there hasn’t been enough time to evaluate ACR well enough. SCAR’s been out for over a year now, and we really don’t have too many of feedback reports in regards to actual performance - whether it is in theater or in formal performance-measured training. How many SCAR owners here took theirs to classes? Most of SCAR reports fall into a category “I took mine to the range again this weekend” - which is just one step better than “I examined one in the shop”. ACR has even less of objective reports. We should give it a bit more time, and I am really grateful that people go out and buy both rifles and report results here.

Great review and thanks very much for your effort ! I’ve handled both (but not fired) the ACR and SCAR and I agree with your observations on the heft and balance of both rifles. I’ve been sitting on the fence for a while now, being very happy with my DDM4 and Steyr AUG A3, but funds permitting, I’ll spring for the SCAR shortly. Seems like a good evolutionary step worth adding to the hoard. Thanks, Jess