Would a Noveske QD End Plate + QD Swivel = Magpul ASAP Sling Mount?
I want to use a Magpul MS2 Sling but do not want to attach a Magpul ASAP Sling Mount.
If I use a QD Swivel attached to the Noveske QD End Plate, would that allow me to utilize the Magpul MS2 Sling.
Noveske QD End Plate
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=rec-qdep&cat=61&page=1&search=&since=&status=
Magpul ASAP and MS2 Sling
http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/51
Why wouldn’t it work?
I was thinking that, perhaps, the Magpul MS2 Sling uses some sort of proprietary attachment.
Do you think the Magpul ASAP is better than a Noveske QD End Plate?
I am asking because I saw a Magpul ASAP and it looks very rugged and seemed as if it would work with greater “swivel room”.
It also seemed very easy to clip on to.
I am just not sure if it would be worth disassembling by stock to put on an ASAP if I can just put on a swivel onto the Noveske QD End Plate.
It’ll get you pretty damn close. I had that setup for a little bit. I ended up moving to an ASAP, though (I already had the plate when I got the Noveske).
You get a little bit easier movement with the ASAP because the attachment ring slides along the rail–that way your axes of movement are always just running along a rail. With the QD swivel, you’re axes of movement are transferred to the QD attachment to swivel around in a circle and instead of a o-ring floating around, you’ve got a rectangular bar.
Is that a difference I think anyone would notice? No way.
I’ve read some people complaining about QD buttons getting pressed when their stock slid all the way forward but, as I recall, Noveske’s are really low-profile and mine was well out of reach of the stock.
The Noveske solution will give you more options with slings, however. I’m not sure the ASAP would play nice with a VTAC sling. Even though I went from the Noveske QD to the ASAP, if I could do it again, I’d probably keep the Noveske QD setup.
Poorly. Even if the sling fit the swivel, it is going to want to slide to one end or the other unpredictably.
It’s my opinion that the ASAP is a superior design for more reasons than the smooth transition. The ASAP has several features in the way it attaches to the rifle that make it more desirable for me. It keys into the receiver just like a regular end plate, but there is also a locking block that keys into the buffer tube to prevent rotating (also makes it less of a pain to install than a regular end plate because the buffer tube can spin freely when you are screwing it in). The last feature is the wings on the side, which will also prevent the end plate from rotating under a severe impact.
The only down side with the ASAP is it leavs you only one spot to stake the end plate to the nut.
The ASAP plate is effective, but do you want to be limited to slings that work with it, or would you rather have the Noveske plate and a different sling? The Noveske also prevents rotation, so better design is off the list, and instead it boils down to sling type. I am coming from 2pt with the option for single, where as you may be looking for single only.
SKD makes a single point sling that will function with the Noveske plate. Gear Sector does as well.
The combined price of those two parts is just under $40 an ASAP is under $30; why would you want to spend more to get a similar outcome?
Assuming he has neither I would think a sling designed for the mounting he desires presents a better alternative than making one work a little differently. Options never hurt.
Thanks to everybody who replied.
This forums rocks!
After I get my Noveske, I think I am going to order the ASAP and remove the Noveske QD End Plate.
The reason why is that the MS2 Sling is the priority.
I have seen it demonstrated in real life and in a few videos.
I think it is very innovative and is a superior design.
I am also a Magpul junky! 
I removed the attachment hook from the MS2 sling and sewed in a QD mount. Works well.
I ran the QD swivel and DD receiver endplate mount with the MS2 and was unimpressed with the attachment. I installed the ASAP and found other reasons to be unimpressed with the setup as a whole, but at least the MS2-to-ASAP worked better than the MS2-to-QD.
I have an ASAP on my Stag and a Noveske QD on my Noveske. With my MS2 sling, I thought transitions-to-reaction side and transitions-to-secondary were smoother on the Stag/ASAP then when using a standard quick-detach swivel on the Noveske. I bought a CAA 1 5/8 QD swivel (which is curved, BTW) and now I can’t tell the difference. Those CAA swivels are about $12 and I thought it was worth the gamble in the event I could avoid buying another ASAP and disassembing the stock.
You could say the same thing about the ASAP. Because the rail is angled up on the sides, the sling tends to slide up the left or the right, depending on how you angle the gun when you sling it.
With a QD attachement, yes the sling will rest on one end of the attachment oval, but that oval will swing up, left, right, however as you move the gun. Yes, if you put the sling in the middle of the attachment oval and release the gun, the sling will slide all of 1 cm to one side or another as it follows the path of least resistance. The ASAP (and every other sling attachment mechanism) will work the same way with the MS2.
If you’re worried about 1cm +/- “unpredictability” when slinging your gun, well, either there’s no hope for you, or you’re going to end up inventing the “Accuwedge for sling attachment points.”
If spending a few extra bucks to get what you want isn’t a big deal, then go for it, at least you’ll have the Noveske parts if you decide to drop the ASAP down the road.
I like the Noveske, as I can remove the attachment if I’m not running a single point.
Sorry, not sure if this was mentioned, but here’s another option (the name alone’s a selling point;)).
I ran both and I have since removed the ASAP’s and even have one unopened. As mentioned I prefer my own set up as it is less noisy and creates more options for complete sling removal or various sling mount positions which I actually use situation dependent. I also do not like the MS2. Perhaps the MS3 might solve those issues I have with the MS2.
YMMV
I prefer the QD attachments over snap-on types because they are quiet. I don’t like rifles that rattle.
I’m curious to see the changes as well, but after my frustration with the MS2 and making my own solution out of a BVG VCAS, I’m not sure that the MS3 is going to offer me any kind of improvement.
I have found that my magpul doesn’t hang up at all, once in a while the noveske end plate swivel will.
hope that helps…