Since you felt the need to chime in and label some of us “elitist” due to our choice here’s some food for thought.
I went to their website and their so-called Milspec M4 upper is 625.00. So what exactly do you think you are getting in the bargain bin? Unless I knew exactly for sure I would be extremely leery. They also use a semi-autp BCG instead of a full auto BCG and their is no mention of it being HP/ MPI tested.
That would still require you to get a complete lower receiver that will cost at least 260.00 give or take. So we are now at the same price of what a Bravo Company upper will cost you. Bravo Company as we have seen consistently here on the boards sells quality stuff. Having met the owner last week at SHOT I am convinced that he will only sell quality stuff and he truly cares about the companies reputation.
Can you please explain why it would not be prudent for the OP to wait an additional 45-60 days to get the additional money? It’s not like there is a ban going into effect tomorrow. I am almost willing to bet that most people could save that additional money.
Again, if the OP is going to be so close as to not being able to save that extra money, how is he going to get magazines, ammo and the other stuff needed to keep his carbine/ rifle running?
If you read the OP’s post. His first concern was for self defense. That would mean that you would want the most reliable weapon that you can get. That being the case I would wait another 3 months if it was necessary to get the most reliable weapon that I could. Which we have already demonstrated it isn’t.
100% agree, save the x-tra dimes & go with the BCM. My first jump into the AR world was a complete Cluster. Bought a DPMS AP-4 off a dealers recommendation.Not a wise purchase. Found this site and the chart Rob S. put together, and between it and the vast amount of knowledge the members here have and are willing to share, I now have a fully functioning carbine. Which btw now only has a DPMS upper & lower receiver.About a 1200.00 mistake all said and done. I have since with the use of this site, G&R Tactical, and BCM built another carbine that is twice the rifle and cost about $200 less! I can assure you from 1st hand experience, if these guys tell you something it is not because they’re elitist, it’s because they know their shit. Listen to them, read the chart, build your rig as finances allow and I guarantee you won’t be disappointed. By the way welcome, and good luck with your build.
i’m not emotionally invested. i don’t even own a cmmg; i own an lmt. the guy says he has $750. end of story. there are obviously better options than cmmg – that cost more money. no hard feelings, anyone. just my two cents.
I am still waiting for your response. Like I said, if one looks at it rationally and not emotionally I can think of no reason why he must purchase now and not wait.
The part in blue changes the whole dynamic. I would have no problem recommending lower tier, cheaper AR if it was for reasons other than personal/HD. But when that factors in, no one in good conscience can recommend anything other than weapons from certain manufacturers.
Here, we consider our weapons as defensive/offensive weapons first. We don’t shoot dirt here. Everyone of my rounds are for the pursuit of training in mastering my firearms, in a precision tactical sense. Most of us run our weapons hard and will not stake or bet on a substandard weapon, for our training, or our lives.
What exactly is so terribly wrong with CMMG that someone would not recommend them ? Have their products had any catastrophic failures ? Is their accuracy so bad that a man could not bring in a 2 MOA string ? Do they use an inferior steel that I could expect to be like the Oly Arms of the early 90’s ?
I have heard nothing but good reports from others who have bought their products. They have been accurate, or at least I have been told of several people getting anywhere from 1-2 MOA strings. I have heard of no FTF’s of any type. And I do believe they are staking their keys pretty good too.
As far as using a .223/5.56 for deer and or pigs…a good shot has no problem with pigs and a 5.56. I have killed several hogs using a Mini-14, and know quite a few people who use AR’s for hogs on a regular basis.
I never meant to stir up a shit storm about who makes the best AR. Every one has their opinion about that, and those opinions are as varied as the manufacturers. I jusrt wanted to know if a CMMG would suit my needs, and allow me to upgrade parts as my budget allowed. It isn’t as if I shoot 1200 rounds a month, it is more like 1200 rounds per year, if that many. I am a deer hunter, and probably put as many rounds through my .270 Win than any other weapon I own; a well placed round is priceless, regardless of the cost of the gun. My deer rifle is a Rem 700 CDL Leup VXII 3x9x50 and a 2.25lb custom trigger, and is a 1 MOA rifle, if I get this from a BB M4 then great, if not, then I will upgrade as I can…right ?
I’m not trying to come off sounding like a dick but you did read the responses in this thread right? Did you go view the Chart and all the info that’s on it? If you want an AR that goes bang when you pick it up and squeeze the trigger take the advice given, if you don’t care buy an XYZ brand, it’s up to you. Good luck.
Most of I believe came from the 2nd requirement you posted for HD most here believe [with good reason][COLOR=“Black”] that HD rifle should be built to the minimum TDP requirements it is the best way that you are assured of getting rifle that will preform and have the durability required to go through training classes and many years of hard use. [/COLOR]
There is some good advice posted here so far by members who have seen many new AR owners come to the table with exactly the same hopes, needs and limitations as the op. Spend some time reading old posts and you’ll also realize that these seasoned members have seen new AR owners go through the same experiences with cheap weapon systems again and again. There is a reason the op wisely came here to get advice. That advice should be heeded.
$750 is just a bit shy of a decent setup and will end up costing you way more than that decent setup as you throw $ at trying to trouble shoot problems. If you can’t enjoy your rifle because it won’t feed/extract/shoot consistently or whatever, then did you really get what your $750 is worth right now? Also consider what IG has asked: how is the cost of mags and ammo and sights etc. going to factor in to that $750 ceiling?
Prices have come down from what they were a year ago and there are alot more rifles in stock out there. Just a few hundred $ more will buy a quality setup that will work now and far into the future. It would be well worth the wait and the sacrifice to save up those few hundred $ more. If that just can’t happen, I’d consider the AK platform instead. Best luck to the op and no hard feelings.
You certainly can, but I believe what others are trying to say is that you can save money in the long run by delaying your purchase now and raising your budget a little bit. You would most likely spend more money in the long run upgrading, especially if your needs change or there is a problem with the CMMG. Like most other machines, you usually get what you pay for with AR’s.
couldn’t care less what you personally think. you are wrong. i will not pretend to know why the original poster has set a limit of &750. all i know is that he asked what he could get for that amount and i told him. YES THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS but a cmmg will do him fine.
Real world advice Snappy. Thank you. Taking your positives into consideration, and your understanding that $750 is a ceiling, why would you steer me to an AK instead of an AR ? They are without question a dependable weapon, and maintenance is no doubt simple for even the naive. What would you consider a reasonable price for a fair quality AK ?
I have had great luck with dependablility in my other firearms, most notably the Mini’s I have owned; the Mini’s are reliable almost to a fault, and my 580 Tactical I just sold was virtually bullet proof. It would eat anything I fed it, and went bang everytime I pulled the boom button. Not a super accurate gun, but I could get 3-4 ( with the peep sight) MOA at 100 yds without any mods…mags were just a little expensive at $25.00 a pop.
How does an AK compare in the accuracy department ? And are AK mags a little more reasonable ?
I just want a good shooter, that is :reliable, accurate, handles easily, ease of maintenance, has some afermarket availability, hence the desire for an AR. I don’t have the time for a finicky firearm. Perhaps I should get another Mini 580 Tactical ? There was not real need for pampering it, and it was exceptionally reliable. I suppose you could call it a “minute of milk jug” rifle, but it was reasonably accurate.
You’re out of your depth and in a completely different league than you’re obviously accustomed to. Instead of making antagonistic remarks and replies to people’s educated opinions why not take the time to go read some of the stickied threads and expand your knowledge base. You obviously want to help someone, and I can commend you for that, but you’re sending them down the wrong path.
My recommendations were based off the OP’s request for a Personal Defense AR as was stated in his original post.
For the CMMG price you get several things that BCM does not offer like an improperly threaded barrel, .223 chambers, a bolt the is not HP/MPI, incorrect extractor inserts just to name a few that I have seen in person. Sounds like a great savings of -$150. :rolleyes:
Just because a company writes it on their website does not mean it’s true. Several members here have spent a lot of money fixing their bargain bin rifles from lower quality companies. I was just trying to keep the OP from being another one. If that makes me an elitist, then I happily accept the title.
Arsenal arms for AK’S and the SGL series from russia http://www.k-var.com/shop/home.php?cat=350
You can get it in 5.56, 5.45 and 7.62.
Quality AK’s with good ammo can be very accurate what holds them back are the short sight radius and blade sights.
Check out Templar’s SLR106 post in the AK section best set up going right know IMO. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=16457
