Hi all ! New to the board, so be gentle with me. I am infected with a slight case of EBR syndrome, and need a cure so I am about to make my first EBR purchase to make the addiction complete. I am not a new shooter, quite the contrary, in fact I have been shooting something since the age of 8; I am now 46. I have owned several Mini-14’s, and was a faithful disciple through several inaccurate models and one extremely accurate 580 Series tactical Mini…the one with the 16.25"bbl. It was very accurate out to 50-75, even with a hot bbl, but at 100yds the accuracy seemed to fall off a bit. I sold it forthwith after my last range visit. I have been a closet M4 fan for some time, but I began my search for an M4 about a week ago. I have about $750 to invest into the cure for EBR syndrome and to be honest, I am looking for some advice; my needs are pretty simple, and my uses are straight forward. I have a military background and consequently, I have a soldiers knowledge of the platform, so I have some confidence in my knowledge of the weapon.Here is a basic run down of my intended purposes:
Probably will not shoot in any competetions…probably
Personal/HD.
Will punch a good bit of paper
4)Probably will hunt hogs with it, and maybe deer. ( I have more confidence in a well placed round than most other factors in a deer firearm)
If I had my druthers, I would be buying an M14 roght now, but I don’t hav ethat kind of cash. I have $750. Period. No more no less. I found a great buy at CMMG, in the bargain Bin. I have researched some and found great reports on them regarding performance and accuracy. The flaws do seem to be all cosmetic, if any at all.
CMMG is using lowers from Double Star, DPMS, Armalite, as well as their own. The bbls I think are all CMMG, and are 16" M4 profiles, and are “nitride” ( ?)
I just need some advice from the people that do M4’s. From the name of this place…I would guess you boys do M4’s. But that is just a guess.
Read the stickies posted above. Sounds like you’ve already answered your own question though. If you must have a rifle now and $750.00 is all you’ve got, buy the CMMG. The general consensus you’ll get from M4 members is to save your money until you can afford a nicer rifle. Save another four hundred and buy a nice Colt, BCM or LMT. It’ll be a wise investment as a nice rifle will hold its resale value - I have my doubts about a bargain bin CMMG. Do what you think is best for you though. Good luck.
Total cost to build a KISS 223 Rifle is $729.00 + tax
But if your going to hunt then you will probably want an AR10 (308) right? As you can’t shoot a pig with a 223 it will just piss them off and I don’t know, but I thought I read somewhere that 223 is not the ideal round for deer either??
Have you considered an m4 platform and using a 458 SCOM or Beowulf upper? These platforms were designed to stop anything within 200 yrds ? Ammo is going to be a bitch to find unless you reload…
I’m relatively new to the AR world as well, but I’ve been hanging around here long enough to know that most will tell you to save more money and get something worth that money.
For $250 more, you can get an LMT lower, 16" carbine upper, and bolt carrier group shipped from Rainier Arms. You would still need some type of sights, but there are plenty of used deals for quality sights. I’m using that as an example and I’m sure there are other deals for quality rifles in that range.
I started with a lower quality rifle along with its canted gas block, snaggletooth disconnector, and crap gas rings (not to mention that lack of staking and the loose castle nut). I could have fixed its problems and carried on, but I decided to cut my losses, save the money, and get something worth having.
I know you said $750 firm, but if you can, wait and save.
Consider the following. You can get a BCM 16" mid-length upper with BCG for 570.00. You can buy stripped lowers for around 125.00. At that point you are into it for about 700.00. Then all you need is a LPK, pistol grip, handguards, buffer tube and stock assembly. A BCM standard stock assembly will cost you 82.00. Pistol grip and handguards around 60.00. LPK Approx. 50.00. You will then have a quality carbine that has a good barrel and chamber and will allow you to get started with only having to add a few things down the road.
So the final cost is about 890.00. Ask yourself this. Can you not afford to spend the 890.00? Do you really need it now or could you wait 45-60 days?
Another thing to consider is that if your budget is stretched now in just purchasing the weapon. How will you feed and care for it?
Yeah it’s only a few miles from my house :)… It’s the first sight I pulled up, the OP can do better by searching around and NO I don’t work there or have this stuff, I was doing some research for a friend who is looking to build a KISS rifle…
The OP should really save up some more $$$, remember you get what you pay for… But at the same time everybody needs to start somewhere and I’ll never fault anyone for that, times are tough and money is tight allover…
If I had a $750 budget I would either do what Iraqgunz suggested or look for a stag or s&w m&p 15 used at a local gun shop maybe I could do some haggling on the price.
no. but to my knowledge, bargain bin rifles are designated as such because of blemishes in the finish. not because of any functional defects. so all of the goodies like m4 feed ramps, properly staked gas key, chrome lined chamber/bore, mil spec 4150 steel MP tested barrel should be there(i think they stake their castle nuts now also)… for $600 + s&h. add another $25 and they’ll have someone hand-pick you the best of the worst.
edit, from their website: “All rifles are M4 upper receivers and consist of trade-ins, demos, scratched, dented, discolored, over-runs, special buys, uglies, etc. All rifles have been head spaced and test fired. Rifles are sold as-is with no returns.” not sure how i feel about trade-ins or dented parts but other than that they claim mostly cosmetic reasons. i’ve only seen good things posted about cmmg’s bargain bin rifes. most seem pleasantly surprised with what they get for the price. if i had the cash on hand i’d snap one up.
My comment is not intended to be disrespectful by the way. Don’t go for instant gratification and wait a while until you have the money to invest in a proper weapon that will serve you and your family for years to come. Best, Irish
Only if by elitist you mean an intelligent, well read and educated person on the current subject matter who’s offering good advice to someone starting down the road of owning their first AR.
This forum is not about bubba plinking, hunting, shooting worms and dirt. The primary reason most people are here is to be educated and discuss relevant matters concerning the defense of themselves, their loved ones or to benefit them in their careers where they are armed.
If you want to go “plinking” go buy a Ruger 10/22 and have a blast shooting cans out in the desert, it’s lots of fun and a hell of alot cheaper! If you want grounded, solid advice from people who know what they’re talking about then please stay and contribute to this forum.
Back on topic… read the Chart and the reasoning behind the different categories and you’ll see the light.
A weapon is first a defensive, SHTF whatever you want to call it and anything else is secondary. You seem a little emotionally invest in CMMG and that’s fine but check the shit attitude at the door when better, yes better, options are laid out.
