Their kit comes with a standard rifle spring.
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Any thoughts on using the new rifle-length Super 42 buffer spring from Geissele with an A5 system? Considerations? Would you be better off using the included buffer from Geissele or the A5 buffer?
I wouldn’t at all. Those are two entirely different systems. I don’t think the Geissele spring would even work. IIRC, their buffer needs a smaller OD to fit inside the spring so standard dimension buffers won’t fit.
Only their carbine length spring requires the super42 buffer. The rifle spring works with a normal rifle extension and buffer.
Well shit, I missed that. Interesting.
Ok, I see that. However, buffers are available, as well as comparable buffer tubes and springs.
I don’t see a problem here.
Did anyone ever make a rifle length buffer tube to accept collapsible stocks? Granted it would essentially limit you to maybe one adjustment shorter than an A1 stock, but would seem to be a worthwhile part.
Not hard at all most of the time, just not necessarily from the same vendor or manufacturer.
At $75 bucks a pop no wonder there are the only ones with any in stock.
Exactly same here. I’ll often piggyback A5 components when they are in stock with other orders just to have them.
Why buy the kits in the first place? I’d rather buy the exact components (buffer weight of choice, Sprinco green spring, QD end plate) I want from the start.
Stuff ebbs and flows…
Production runs start and stop…
Things to in and out of stock…
A5 has been out for a good long time, but seem to have gained traction with more people using suppressors lately.
So IMO demand has increased and production / supply has yet to catch up.
As far as I remember they said there was no quantifiable increase in reliability over the carbine/H6 setup so they didn’t go with the A5.
Actually as stated in the interview the A5 was more reliable than both the carbine buffer system and the rifle length buffer system. I really dont understand your jihad against the A5. Pls explain your motives.
Yeah I thought the upgrade program as a whole was cancelled, of which the A5 was just a part of.
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You can thank the 416/M27 for that.
I think my 1st was a kit, 2nd I used an LMT tube, my last two were MagPul tubes, with the buffers I wanted and Sprinco spring
A previously smooth and properly running carbine with H2 buffer now won’t lock the bolt back with Super 42 and Super 42 specific H2 installed. I only used the setup because it’s the last one we had, and we’ve dropped all of their products from our site last year. I had it in the bin and decided to make use of it.
Will be replacing it with a tried and true A5. I can’t and won’t recommend Super 42 to anyone, the proprietary smaller diameter buffer requires G tungsten weights at $20 a pop, and offers no real discernible improvement.
A5, on the other hand, I will recommend to anyone that will listen. Vltor has been around, it doesn’t rush products to market without testing.
THUMBS UP ON THIS! THANKS FOR DOINGT THIS TEST.
This is exactly what I’ve suspected for a long time.
This is but one user’s experience. I’m not trashing the Super 42, only noting the issues I’ve encountered. Others will, and can no doubt also confirm that it’s worked fine for them. The first thing I noticed was it was significantly harder to pull the CH back, the braided spring is responsible for that. Because of the higher spring rate, I think the buffer’s weight needs to be calibrated to compensate for it, I’m not sure if that was done.
In the end, I’m not doing product testing for G or anyone, unless I’m developing a new spring or buffer (I won’t, I’m wholly sold on the A5), so I’m just going use what I know will work.
No jihad against it, it just doesn’t make much or any difference vs a carbine spring.
The A5 were more reliable but when you discounted malfunctions/failures not attributable to the buffer, it wasn’t. That’s why they went with the carbine parts with an H6.
i live close to their factory and i deal with nick on a personal level. if any of you ever got to meet him, you will know he is literally one of the nicest and genuine guys you have ever met, and totally knows his products. a true gentleman. i personally believe he will carry vltor a very long way to success. he is one of those guys. that being said, here is my 2 cents on the a5. while i will be completely unbiased as possible, i will say that i am a 100% believer in the a5 kit. i have ran it hard, fast, slow, and all around pretty much every type of fire in multi-gun matches and can definitely feel the difference compared to a standard carbine spring & buff. it is absolutely much smoother. i find it helps double and triple taps track better on those close in shots to paper, and very very smooth on slow shots on longer shots on steel out to them 400 yrd steel plates, the dot/reticle barely move making follow up shots quicker out to range. if anybody has ever played paintball, and used or played with a wpg/budd orr autococker with a 3-way valve, thats what it feels like when combined with a quality barrel with a good gas port and run of the mill comp. ive have never had a malfunction because of it, and i would complete trust it. hands down its a better system. it primarily helps reduce bolt bounce, which has been proven with high speed camera. i think too many people stay away from it because ‘‘in the zombie appacolypse’’ or more conservative ‘‘only one im taking if we are going to war’’ type of people who say that stuff stick with the regular carbine system because we know we can pick up readily available ''spare springs & buffers off of dead bodies and be able to use them". yah. i get that. but a buffer doesnt break, and the quality springco springs are good for 40k rounds…ill happily take the a5 kit “to war during the zombie appocalypse” lol. that being said, i have never seen combat, never been to war, never been deployed or overseas, so i have never ‘‘battle tested’’ my a5 kits. im just an average joe non-operator that competes in sport shooting at a high level around the country every month, thats all. but i am a true believer, and don’t see why it isnt standard across the board to be honest. i would trust it for duty for sure, more than standard spring & buffer. i really dont why it isnt standard issue and build spec for all manufacturers by now in 2019
Why its not standard is because they’re always out our stock.