Apparently Walther is preparing to release a new single stack 9mm, the CCP. Looks very interesting. Not sure if it would replace my Shield but can’t see purchasing the Remington R51 now.
http://www.carl-walther.de/cw.php?lang=en&content=products&sub=2&subsub=22&product=1975
http://www.mrcolionnoir.com/news/new-gun-alert-walther-ccp/#more-3942
Definitely looks interesting…
Here’s hoping that the range gets one in so I can put some test rounds through it. Walters have been hit or miss for me.
There’s a lot to like here, especially if it the trigger is as good as the one on the PPQ. The overall size looks to be about the same as the G42, but it’s a 9mm. I REALLY like the fact that it takes sights that are already at least somewhat on the market. Not sure about the ramifications of the gas system, but it’s not a detractor in my book—yet.
Okie John
Whats with manual thumb safeties on these guns coming out?
Would be interested to see side by side with the Shield and PM9. I can tell its larger than the PM9, but could it be smaller than the shield?
The description makes it seem gas operated? Is this other people take away from the description?
Yep…that thing appears to be a blowback design…Its 1.18 inches thick so…overly bloated for that market just like the PPQ.
I like the safety for carrying condition 1, but I wish the slide release was bigger than that. I love the PPQ and HK sized slide releases. If someone would just make the p30s with the PPQ trigger I would be happy.
Also, if the PPQ is any indication it’s going to be a while before we see a large number of holster options for this.
I had to google the “gas delayed” system too. Here’s what wiki says on it
Gas delayed
Gas-delayed blowback should not be confused with gas-operated. The bolt is never locked, and so is pushed rearward by the expanding propellant gases as in other blowback-based designs. However, propellant gases are vented from the barrel into a cylinder with a piston that delays the opening of the bolt. It was used by some World War II German designs for the 7.92×33mm Kurz cartridge, including the Volkssturmgewehr 1-5 rifle (with little effectiveness) and the Grossfuss Sturmgewehr (with slightly more efficiency),[18] and after the war by the Heckler & Koch P7, Steyr GB and M-77B pistols.
Please explain…
I’d be fascinated to see a flash animation or a cut away of that. My PPQ is a little snappy, would have been interesting if they worked this technology into that one.
Didn’t the HK P7 have a similar gas delayed blowback system?
I have to admit I don’t see the appeal of these single stack guns. They’re slightly smaller than the double stack versions but only hold half the rounds.
This is the HK P7 delayed blowback. It’s interesting that in a compact gun they would sacrifice precious space by adding a second chamber to delay the blowback action.
Significantly larger than a G42.
G42: 5.94x4.13x0.94
CCP: 6.42x5.12x1.18
The dimensions of the CCP are nearly identical to a G26 with a G19 length grip: 6.41x4.99x1.18
The manual safety is kind of a bummer, but the pistol itself is intriguing. Pre-cocked striker with 5.5 lb pull sounds like the PPQ’s QA trigger. Very interested to see this pistol.
I think the PPS is better compared to the G42.
Just realized the CCP is just a striker fired PK380 in 9mm with a slide release. It’s even blowback, just modified for 9x19 by adding the delayed blowback chamber.
CCP------6.42x5.12x1.18
PK380—6.69x5.12x1.18
I would bet the measured length difference is due to the PK380’s hammer
For pistols competing in the single stack sub compact realm, i really believe the gun should be as thin as possible. Why choose an 8 round Walther when i could have a 1.18 inch thick G19?
Sure, overall grip length will definitely help conceal the gun but its NOT that much smaller than a G19.
The PPQ is also abnormally thick comparatively speaking.
Size is a bummer, I have hopes for al these guns when I hear about them. Until I realize just how big they are. Once again I’ll happily stick with my PM9 as it is actually tiny.
Interesting, I’ll have to do more of a side by side when I get home but I never thought it was thicker than my Glocks. The contoured slide did make it seem slimmer, and the grip fits my hand like a glove.
This, I’ve tried a lot of sub compacts and have not found one to really have an advantage over a G19/G26 G23/G27.
Blah blah blah. Personally, I’m going to wait until I can hold a CCP in one in one hand and my PPS in the other. I’m not going to mentally masturbate over a set of dimensions on paper.
Exactly; dimensionally the PPQ is pretty close to the G19, but when I hold them both the PPQ is hands down more comfortable in my hand.
oh wow I want this so damn bad
so glad I did not buy a pps now…
We’ll see how well the delayed blowback system works. It lets the pistol be much lighter than a blow back system and the barrel can be fixed in place.
In my eyes, where Walther missed the boat is not using a safety in the trigger bow like they did with the PPQ and using the button style mag release.
The CCP isn’t as small as it could be, but it’s also not so tiny a guy like me can’t get a grip on it. Yes, pistols like this are made to be carried a lot and shot a little but I like to shoot what I got and know I can control the pistol. Overall, I like the direction the theme the CCP is taking better than the PPS or the PK380. I would like a down-sized pistol to carry in place of the PPQ when something smaller is needed