New Threats and How to React

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So I was reading and article about Putin and Russia. The possibility of a new cold war is there. Is there a real threat to look at? If so what will you do differant to address this new/ reemerging threat?

Since this is a large country with many more resources then most the threat could be very diverse. They have chemical, biological, and all types of nuclear items at their disposal. As well as the delivery system that would be needed for each. In addition to those threads there is also the threat of a proxy war and even an EMP attack.

Thought?

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There is ALWAYS a threat…untill the glorious day there aint.
But if I HAD to rank it…Russia is there on the list, but way below these raghead run countries & China. Im telling you these damned muslims are itching to start shit.
And-like many have stated in the Civil War thread…I absolutely DO NOT discount the nutwads running aroung this country, at all. MANY on both sides want a civil war
and will do shit to try to start it. That f-in homo Smollet tried it…wanted an uproar. Well, he got one, just not the one he wanted.
I, myself…would MUCH rather be at odds against Russia than the ragheads…those mofackas cant be reasoned with and only understand DEATH as a means of stopping them. Id like to think at least Russia aint that wack yet.

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Respectfully, the threat has not changed an iota, at least since the South Ossetia War in 2008. From the Russian viewpoint, the Cold War really never left.

GWB was going to reset the US-Russian relationship. Obama said he would. Trump said he would too. The ability to address the core issues are beyond the power of the US - the proto USSR/Russian Empire folks have a history much longer than the US.

The Kaliningrad intermediate range, nuclear capable missiles have been a major issue for the Poles and other NATO members for nearly a decade. I think Trump and Bolton are fools in this issue and most others, but the missiles were de facto accepted by the Obama Administration. Bolton’s attack on Reagan’s arms control successes is not going to deter Putin.

As to the increased domestic threat from Russia, I am not seeing it, yet. There was an FOUO release last week that might be resonating… Just guessing that might get be contributing to the sense of unease.

  • Any EMP is a nuclear attack. That puts the US SIOP nuclear attack plan into play.
  • Any use of NBC threats presumably is a WMD and again becomes a potential nuclear war. The Russians are surrounded by B61s under joint US-NATO control as well as the strategic deterrence weapon systems.
  • Read the Skiripal Files, a year old book about the GRU operations in the Cold War and then terminating at the UK nerve agent attack on the defector. It was a ballsy provocation in a NATO nation but no one wants a war.
    *Credible open sources are stating the Russian internet segmentation scheme is not realistic and is propaganda. However that feeds into various audiences about hardening their society against Western options.

I am not doing anything differently, beyond paying close attention. Think all hazards in your preparations, as I am much more worried about New Madrid or other earthquakes than the Russians.

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Putin bluster. China is the real threat to the US. The attack, if and when it comes, will be cyber-oriented. Probably won’t be one big attack…likely a series of smaller muti-pronged/multi front attacks that persistently erode our digital infrastructure. We’ll lose, and there’s no preparing.

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Personally, I don’t believe in single threat or event preparations. Preparation should simply be a WAY of LIFE.

If I have my own means to produce food, water, power…can defend myself, have the ability to provide medical care etc…What the hell difference does it make WHAT the threat is? Tornado…no problem. Dollar collapse…No Problem. War with Russia or China…no problem. Bird Flu…Ebola, EMP, Solar Flare…Sure, at the VERY farthest edges of specific problems you need some detailed solutions, but until you have the basics covered…not something to worry about.

None of it matters. The ultimate problems are ALWAYS the same- Food, Water, Shelter, Defense, Medical Care.

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First, this is the kind of discussion I appreciate on M4C - sharp folks discussing pertinent topics. Thanks DocSherm.

I will eat some crow… from the Wall Street Journal today. The Russians appear to be hyping for the internal audience but they know how to get under the US skin.

“Mr. Kiselyov said the Kremlin leader’s words were “a promise to target decision-making centers in the case that the U.S. deploys short and medium-range rockets in Europe.”

A map on-air showed the locations of potential targets at the Pentagon, Camp David and Jim Creek, a naval communications base in Washington state. Another graphic showed that a Russian submarine could launch a Tsirkon missile 200 miles from either U.S. shore and strike the targets before U.S. air defenses could catch them.”

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LOL. As if those “decision making centers” weren’t already in the Russian crosshairs, and as if theirs weren’t already in ours.

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I would have to agree that the ultimate problems remain the ultimate problems, generally, regardless of cause (at least most of the time). Food, water, shelter, defense, medical care, and such as listed above. There are special cases that might require special preparations, of course, like radiation or biologic attacks. I don’t work for the CIA and I don’t work in the White House, but personally I worry more about a rogue state doing something crazy with an EMP or dirty bomb than I do Mr. Putin. Those are things that can be accomplished even without being peer or near-peer status. Those attacks can realistically be completed with a high chance of success given our current state of defenses. Further, fighting an enemy that doesn’t mind dying for his god is a tough nut to crack. The good news is that our relationship with North Korea appears to be way better than it was just a year or two ago!

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First I would like to say thanks.

Then I will LOLOLOLOL.

This is the kind of discussion I was hoping for. Keep bringing in the facts.

Well played sir. Keep it up.

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Agree that Cold War with Russia never ended and China and Islam are the major threats. Russia will continue to chip away st Eastern Europe and other former Soviet states. I don’t think they really want world war or even to attack Western Europe, but they want to play to the home crowd appeal and keep the West off balance

China and Islam on the other hand both want to rule/control the world. Chine will use various technologies to spy and sabotage our infrastructure and economy, while their first step is total control of South China Sea, then Taiwan. If we back down they will see that as showing our soft tummy in submission.

Islam has been at war with the West for over 1,000 years. The difference now is the West is paying them trillions of dollars for oil so they have money to spend on killing us. Without oil revenue they would ALL revert to third world dust bins. And they are fanatical in their determination to kill us whenever possible. As we continue to bring them in as immigrants and refugees ( no ME Christians allowed!) feed them, house them, educate them, they are supporting the violent groups who encourage violent attacks.

At a national level China is the greatest threat. At the personal level Islamic terrorism is the greater threat. One more reason to carry concealed as much as possible.

As others have stated, preparation should be ongoing for the basics and develop a way of life as independent as possible. Probably not possible for most to be completely independent resource wise but the more dependencies you can eliminate the more flexibility you have to adapt to drastic changes, whatever form they arrive in.

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My greatest fear is from the politicians and government employees. The loss of liberty from our politicians and government employees.is far greater of a threat that any foreign military.

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I’m adding you to my government maintained civilian threat list

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The crisis of refugees streaming into our country from Mexico and Central America will transform this country so completely that future administrations will have so many internal problems to worry about that we will eventually be disengaged from the international community. The collapse of the United States of America from the weight of the refugee crisis will happen whether or not there is a new Cold War, or a future war with China (both of which I doubt will actually happen). But we WILL see the US transformed into a Third World country maybe within our lifetimes.

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Excellent topic to discuss doc.
Man, I do miss the cold war before that damn wall came down. Many say it’s the same cold war today as it was back then and in some regards it is. There is still espionage being conducted against us, spies and manipulation. But in some ways, it’s not your dad/grandad’s Cold War. I don’t believe MUD (Mutually Assured Destruction carries the weight it once did. Ego’s and all the new threats that have emerged and the threats’ ability to obtain weapons-grade plutonium that they didn’t have it back in “the old days” presents a different Cold War picture. Then you add in the available of RDD material that can be used to make a dirty bomb, the threat picture is considerably different than it was back in the old days of the CW. I’m not sure I believe in a single threat. Think of all the muslim terror groups that used Russian equipment. Not all of them are using leftovers from the Soviet Unions failed attempt to invade Afghanistan. Russia just doesn’t sell weapons and delivery systems to these whacko’s they also sell intelligence, they sell knowledge as well. Bomb building knowledge. Parts and knowledge to build their own delivery systems. So I think someone may have mentioned a multi-pronged attack, that could happen. a China/NK, a Russian/Iran or a Russian/China, although I’m not sure how that would pan out, both are greedy and have their own world domination plans. But what I think is more likely is a single nation state attack with multiple sponsors, meaning funding and weapons sourced from a global power, but initiated from a single nation-state or the terror groups that have spawned out of the ME and Eastern Europe. I think multiple threats are very likely. Dirty bombs along with other terrorizing threats are almost a certainty. I don’t agree with the premise that one poster made that it doesn’t matter the threat, preps are preps. I believe it does matter because part of surviving isn’t just having the stuff to survive, it is understanding the threat and their TTP so that you can counter whatever actions are initiated against you. I call it intel, but at its core it is knowledge. Someone said, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” (Hosea 4:6) This is a true statement. I don’t think any war or battle has been won absent of some measure of reliable intel and knowledge of the enemy. I think thinking otherwise is short-sighted and naive.

Then we have our own issues here in the US. Which if/when escalated would give one of those nation-states or nation-state terror group(s) a great opportunity to add to the existing havoc and really do some serious damage.

Do I believe we face a thermonuclear war and invasion? Not sure, our country possesses so many resources, I can’t imagine why one of the superpowers or semi-superpowers detonating a device that would render those resources unobtainable due to long-term radiation poisoning. I also think that the metric, “US is comprised of 5% of the world’s population and possesses 50% of the world’s firearms” (if that’s a true metric) is a deterrent to any country looking to invade us. Certainly they would have to take into account the effects of American turned insurgent would have on any kind of invasion, so that is ranked low on my list of viable threat scenarios, so I don’t think a Red Dawn scenario to be likely in conjunction with a thermonuclear detonation. But with literally millions of sources for RDD, I do consider multiple dirty bombs a very viable threat or any non-persisitent chem-bio attack. Including water sources, attacks to our power-electrical grid, attacks on our supply chain capabilities etc. Specifically targeted cities could be a possibility for a nuclear bomb, but I guess I just don’t know where to rank that on threat list right now.

A very close friend once told me that the generation we see today that is over-the-top enraged at our administration and everything and everyone else presents the “New Terror Group”. Because they have the capacity to be indoctrinated into terror groups (Socialism begets Communism) or ME terror groups. Add to that the technology and knowledge they possess to commit terror acts in their own backyard. Hacks into power stations, nuclear plants, compromising water sources or dragging us into a civil war. This I do place right at the top of my list.

So I believe wisdom should dictate we consider all the terror threats on the global landscape, prioritize those (That would be a good poll to post up.) and prepare accordingly.

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I do not see the US becoming a 3rd World Country, as you say it.
(A third world country is a country NOT aligned with the NATO or the WARSAW Pact buy definition. Switzerland is a 3rd world county. Sorry, that is one of my pet peeves when that term is used wrong. :wink: )

Referance:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/third-world.asp

The term that you are looking for is Developing nation or as I like to call them Sh!t Holes.

Before that happens there will be a change here. And by change it will look like the Balkans on Roids. Just like any system in history there will be a tipping point when the 2 sides will come to blows.

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All right, then. Whatever terminology you wish to use, I see the US collapsing like Yugoslavia. First the government will find it impossible to hold onto control just like the Soviet Union, then the various factions will cause a breakup of the US into a loosely-connected units that may still call itself the United States of America, but it will be more like the loose confederation that the original thirteen colonies were. There will be strife and multiple conflicts as the country goes so completely broke that basic infrastructure and semblance of a federal system break down.

What happens after that, I don’t know. Maybe Russia and China nuke a weakened America?

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That is a valid concern… or maybe simply invade as “peace keepers”… Looking for an opportunity to eliminate their competition.

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Financial collapse. This country would implode. When the smoke clears, we will be like Russia. We will have too many nukes to be messed with but no money to project force.

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Interesting point. Certainly a China sponsor NK EMP would give China the opportunity to show up as our “saviors” in an attempt to fix the damaged infrastructure. Provide a lot of rice. Provide infrastructure parts & equipment. And obviously our people to run it all with the help of American sympathizers.

Reminds me of The Man in the High Castle, except China would have one half and Russia the other half of the country. NK wouldn’t be a player because they would be nuked by then.

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Personally I think Russia and China are creating a lot of the strife between right and left in this country hoping we will implode so they don’t have to either nuke or invade us.