New "stipple" artist found

It is no secret that I am a big fan of the Smith and Wesson M&P series handguns. I own a number of them myself and plan on getting at least one or two more. I have written an in-depth review of the M&P already – so what do I have to say that I haven’t already said?

Short story – a good friend of mine was lusting after one of my personal M&P fullsize 9mm’s. It already has the excellent APEX sear and trigger block installed, along with Warren Tactical rear sight. He wanted to buy one exactly like mine.

I was perusing the on-line want-ads of the state where my permanent residence is – and would be returning to shortly. I noticed for sale an M&P that looked to me had already been to Ben Simonson of Boresight Solutions and received his stipple treatment. I immediately contacted the seller and told him I would buy it for the asking price. I then called my buddy and told him that if he wanted to buy my M&P – he could have it for $XXX.00. He said “done”.

I got home and went and met with the seller. His name is Peter Chun – and HE is the one that did the stipple job. The work he does is fantastic – a serious work of art. I handed over my M&P fullsize .40 cal and told him to go ahead and do that one too!

Here is a pic of the left side of the M&P I bought from him:

There are six main areas of work that Peter did to this M&P (and will repeat with my other M&P). They are:

  1. The main frame gripping surface area.
  2. The magazine release.
  3. Under the trigger guard
  4. Relief under trigger guard
  5. Index witness areas on dust cover area
  6. Rear of Slide End Cap

Regarding the main gripping surface of the M&P – my only gripe with the stock M&P has been that it is sort of “slick”. I have seen and felt a lot of stipple jobs – but none of them felt or looked right. I settled on custom grip tape that is made for the M&P – which really enhanced the feel – but also ate up my clothes when carrying concealed. When I first felt the stipple job Peter did – I was in love! It is not as aggressive as the “sand paper” grip tape – but it felt REALLY nice. It is “grippy” without being overly aggressive. I know it won’t eat my clothes either! Smith really ought to change their molds to make the gripping area exactly like this one. It really helps my hands “lock” onto the gun without any downside.

Had I ordered the service done over the phone, and having never felt a stipple job like this before – I probably would not have ordered stippling on the bottom of the trigger guard (#3 above). That would have been a SERIOUS mistake.

I was shocked and amazed at what a benefit it is to have that little bit of stippling right there. It REALLY locks the support hand into the gun and actually and measurably helps with follow on shots. My split times from shot to shot is slightly faster, and more accurate. The proof really is in the pudding. I thought it to be purely cosmetic – and in that I was 100% wrong. It serves a serious purpose – and I am glad it is there – and glad I told Peter to make my .40 look exactly like it.

He also radiused the trigger guard where my firing hand middle finger meets it. It is difficult to see where he did this smoothing/radiusing – but it can certainly be felt! I have a callous on the knuckle of my firing hand middle finger – however I think it will go away now – as this radiusing that Peter does makes it feel much better than the stock M&P trigger guard.

I also really like and appreciate the “index witness” points that Peter added to each side of the dust cover. I shoot both thumbs pointing forward – and the tip of my firing finger and thumb of my support hand contact the dust cover in the exact spot on each side – and the stippling Peter did helps my finger/thumb know they are in the “right spot”.

The mag release didn’t escape Peter’s watchful eye either. This does help with mag changes – it gives my thumb a more positive purchase without any slippage that may happen with the OEM version. Also – check out the attention to detail and the uniformity of the stipple job Peter does – truly outstanding work.

The last area Peter did was the Slide End Cap. This is purely cosmetic – but it really does look good and adds the aesthetics of the whole firearm.

Just in case anyone is wondering - I paid the full asking price for the handgun Peter sold me – and I am paying the full asking price for the work he is doing on my M&P .40 – I am receiving zero compensation whatsoever. I am writing this strictly to pass on a good word of a good guy that does outstanding work. Work that truly enhances the ergonomics of a handgun that already possesses great ergo’s to begin with. Peter’s treatment does nothing to take away from these excellent ergo’s but in fact brings them up a notch or two for a price I felt was more than fair.

Now the bad news – Peter does not posses a FFL – so he can only do local work. He lives on the Wasatch front in Utah – so if you are lucky enough to live there – he can certainly hook you up. His e-mail address is: pchawaii28@gmail.com

He only works on one handgun at a time – from start to finish. Wait time right now (April 2010) is about 2 weeks.

As a total sidebar – this is my first M&P with a thumb safety – and I fully intended to remove it post haste – however – it is placed is an excellent spot – very reminiscent of the 1911 series. Having handled this M&P with the thumb safety – I may not remove it. It doesn’t get in the way – and my thumb naturally depresses it when I bring it up to fire.

Any questions?

cheers

tire iron

Double Tap

His work is very reminiscent of Boresight Solutions. It’s nice to see that Ben’s work is appreciated by so many. I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

i was going to say, that looks exactly like what is done by Ben at Boresight. I can’t wait to get back home and send my M&P to him for some work.

Very nice Copy/rip off of Ben’s work glad his work is so well admired to be copied kind of like Raven holster

That said Ben’s work is much cleaner and detailed Ben, 2 more Mp’s in route
yeah its that good its worth the wait…

Steve,

It is not a “rip off” of Ben’s work. You could say that Ben ripped off the idea of stippling from whomever did it first.

Ben certainly raised the bar - and if in your opinion Ben’s work is superior - then where is the beef?

This is America - the land of choice. I am glad there are choices and options when it comes to this kind of work - and many many many other areas of our lives.

cheers

tire iron

The M&P really lends itself to the home texture job. I’ve seen several nice looking pistols over on Barftard in the S&W forum. I’m still running mine stock though.

Somehow the glock pistols always looked like holy hell after being textured.

Facts are facts could he copy it anymore to the T or do we have to do a side by side?..glad your happy enjoy it,
everything i see there is a direct copy of Ben’s work
stippling is not new…but wow kind of uncanny huh how they look a lot alike?
almost as if someone said wow look Ben is 12 weeks back logged,can you make it look like this for me…

yes it is land of the free
and im free to say nice copy

no dog in this fight any longer.

That is indeed nice work but its not quite as refined as the work that Ben is putting out.

Dollar for dollar the pistol is better off being sent to Boresight in my opinion.

Ben also offers multiple textures and the amazing thing about his work is that it really does add texture to the gun. Lots of home stipple jobs just distort the plastic to the point where it looks different. (ask me how i know, my stippling blows donkey dick)

Bens work is FUNCTIONAL.

I DO have a dog in this fight because im a biased sumbitch. I happen to think Ben is a hell of a nice guy and i simply want to see him get all the business in the world due to the quality of his work.

Other than that, enjoy the heck out of your m&P, they’re great pistols!

Ben from Boresight Solutions here. A friend emailed me a link to this thread.

Peter Chun obviously has skill, but he seems to lack imagination and moral compunction. And based on the effusiveness of your review and your defensiveness to criticism, you don’t see any problem with promoting someone who not only made a clear effort to copy someone else’s work, but who is also engaged in the firearms business without an FFL. (Yes, to do this type of work, even strictly for local clientele, an FFL is required…I learned this early on.)

Further, only by an obvious stretch could it be said that I ripped ANYONE off, while it is plain to see that Peter Chun had every intention of making his work look as much like mine as possible. You even said when you first saw the gun, you thought it had been done by my shop. Coincidence? So in your review of his work, when you praise all his beneficial touches and attention to detail, in reality you’re praising his attention to MY detail.

Plastic grip stippling has been around for a long time, and as far as I know, nobody tries to take credit for pioneering it. However, it might surprise you to know that ALL of the well-known grip modifiers (and even most of the lesser-known up-and-comers) work hard to establish textures and patterns that are distinctive, and by which their work can be recognized. Further, as far as I know, NONE of the professionals will copy another guy’s work.

When I started doing this, while I was experimenting with different texturing patterns and edge borders to find what I thought would work and look best, I was also researching the market to see if any other shops were doing something like that already. Once I was sure that I wasn’t copying anyone else’s design, I pressed on and soon had my ‘look’ established.

I have had several people ask me to copy David Bowie’s texture and edge pattern. My work costs about the same as his, but my turnaround is a bit faster, so I can only presume that they don’t want to wait. I always politely tell them that if they want it to look like Bowie did it, send it to Bowie. Call it professional courtesy, integrity, respect, karma, etc., but the guys who do this kind of work understand that there are boundaries.

Here’s an M&P that I did, in case anyone is curious about the similarities:


Damn, thats nice! Take a vacation with all your stippling gear here in Austria- Glock enthusiasts are waiting!! :smiley:

Well put Ben. I think you handled that wonderfully and with total integrity. When looking at the two pistols in the same thread, the first is good, but the second is definitely better. I too have no horse in this race, having had work done by neither of thes gentlemen. Just putting my $.02 out there.:wink:

Guys, thanks for the kinds words.

Peter Chun contacted me to apologize. He assured me that this will not happen again.

I’ll make sure that my first M&P makes it way to you Ben. Excellent choice of words by the way.

classy response Ben. I hope one day I might be able to send a polymer pistol your way.

Ben is certainly one of the good guys.

To the casual observer I suppose that “you seen one melted Glock you seen 'em all”, but in the world of grip reductions and re-contouring the devil, and the paycheck, is in the details. Everybody that does this stuff for a living makes their living because customers prefer their details over the competition. There is room in the great wild world for many different variations on the theme, but each plastic surgeon really should develop their own theme. Otherwise what’s the point?

As Ben mentioned, doing this kind of work without an FFL is a big no-no, and I would not be handing my gun over to someone that didn’t have one. What happens to your gun when the guy gets raided and has your pistol in his safe?

If I were Chun, I’d frankly be a little pissed at the OP for putting me on the radar screen of not only Ben’s loyal customer base but also potentially of the feds. Copying another man’s work and breaking BATFE regulations and laws is probably something better done in the shadows. :wink:

This is a cut/paste of a post I made on another forum in response to the same post the OP made there. Hopefully this matter (and thread) can be brought to a close without any more unpleasantness.

I understand and appreciate both sides’ perspective. I don’t want to start an argument or beat a dead horse, just add my $.02 and be done with this thread. If anyone wants to discuss it with me offline, send me an email or PM.

If you look at grip stippling as simply poking holes in plastic with a soldering tool, then it’s all the same, has been done for a long time, is no big deal; however, if you look closer at the work done by guys who have FFLs and do this for a living, you will see that although we all poke holes in plastic to some degree, we have all found ways to differentiate our work from the next guy, and we won’t copy someone else’s style.

The impression that I got when I first saw the OP’s post promoting Mr. Chun’s work (and apparently the impression that a few others got) was that Mr Chun was engaged in the firearms business (working on guns in exchange for $$$) without an FFL, and was offering a service similar to what anyone else who does grip work is doing (poking holes in plastic), but which by deliberate effort looked identical to mine.

I don’t think any of us in the business cares if some guy clones a gun we did for his own personal use because he admires our style…hell, that is flattering…but I’m sure any one of us would take umbrage if someone were doing it in exchange for payment (the OP’s post gave every indication Mr. Chun was doing just that).

Look at it in general terms if you will: Is it unreasonable for a professional to feel possessive about something that makes his work recognizable? Take holsters, for example. It could be said that none of the modern makers invented the holster, but most of them try to incorporate their own ‘look’ into the age-old device. I think we can agree that Raven Concealment holsters have a unique look. If someone makes an identical copy of a Raven concealment holster and sells it, is it no big deal because holsters have been made forever, and there’s only so many ways to slap one together, be it with leather and thread or kydex and rivets?

As it turns out, all the previous points are moot. When Mr. Chun contacted me to explain things, he stated that he was not engaged in the firearms business, but had simply admired my style and done one gun like mine for himself, and had to sell it because he needed cash. He agreed to do another one like it for the buyer (OP).

He apparently recognized the fact that there were certain boundaries in this field, because he contacted me on his own accord and apologized and said he would not do any more clones of my work in exchange for payment after he finished the OP’s second gun.

Like I told Mr. Chun: no harm, no foul.

Now I want my GLOCK back from Ben even more. I’ve tried to be patient. I can’t wait to see his art in person again … this time on my own gun.

You’re NA’s friend, right? I always forget screen names vs real names. :smiley:

Yes, I’m KL. Does that get me bumped to the front of the line? :smiley:
I did just send you a e-mail though for one addition to my service order.