I got a canned call from the NRA yesterday regarding some new under the radar laws and agenda’s being pushed by the US and I thought they said NATO was involved.
Anybody know what they are talking about. Paper work, weapons inspections etc etc.
DW
Not exactly under the radar but are you sure it wasn’t the UN instead of Nato?
It very well could have been the UN rather then NATO< in fact that makes more sense.
Thanks.
DW
Obama: We’re Working on Gun Control ‘Under the Radar’
[i]During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”[/i]
http://nation.foxnews.com/guns/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-gun-control-under-radar
The UNODA’s (United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs) has their “Small Arms Treaty” which will be on the table this summer.
Interesting, Im certain everybody here is going to comply with UN related laws in the US.
James W Rawles posted an interesting story on his web site.
" SurvivalBlog.com" Basically it says that there are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many guns in the USA that it’s simply not possible for the feds to enforce or try and recover weapons.
Believe he’s right on this one.
DW.
However IF such a law is ever “enforced” here in the US you can rest assured that there would be Presidential Emergency Powers enacted, the EO’s would be green lighted, a state of martial law would be implemented, and foreign troops would “aid” in carrying out such orders. At least that would be the first of many contingencies.
DW,
I’m thinking it might be Tesler-Moran / Rehberg Amendment possibly ?
Here’s a few that come to mind. Perhaps you will recognize some ;-/
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson, proposed Virginia constitution, June 1776. 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)
“Every good Communist should know that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and that gun must remain firmly in the hands of the state.”
Mao Tse Tung
“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.” - Joseph Stalin
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” - Harry S. Truman
or this sound vaguely familiar ?
“Our main agenda is to have all guns banned of course. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.” Sarah Brady, 1994
Last one sounds like “Under the radar” to me…
The question is will “We the People” actually stand up and say enough is enough…
One of my favorite pics…
Moose, I met with some old partners today and this subject was discussed.
Although not verbally stated I saw these off duty Deputy’s concern at being put in such an ackward position, we all share one common subject, and that is simply the love of weaponry and shooting.
Ive known these guys a minimum of 10 years most much longer and know their love of this country. I believe at least this group of men would follow the constitution, they swore an oath to protect the people of this community.
They are certainly aware that stripping the people of their weapons only complicates matters by turning rightous citizens into victims without the ability to defend themselves and their families.
For any citizen to turn their weapons over to UN troops is simply not going to happen up here in the hills. These people up here are tough mother fuckers and not so into the govt and their minnions already.
Im afraid that would be the last straw amongst the farmers and ranchers around these parts. These guys have the resources to have some really cool shit in their gun safes.
DW
Possibly Tesler-Moran / Rheberg Amendments ?
I’m familiar w/ James W. Rawles OP Eds /books etc. Unless I’m mistaken & IIRC, he does not address UN / NATO being the enforcing arm of the UN agenda. Dunno why not.
FWIW,
NATO / UN is the planned enforcement component for the weapon confiscation not US troops. Copius material & Docs. on that NOT “tinfoil hat” monikers that people like to throw around so freely these days.
There are a number of US Sheriffs that are very vocal about armed oppostion to the feds if a gun confiscation was to commense in this nation. That would be a picture wouldn’t? The days of Ruby Ridge and Waco are over, people are awake and many who swear oaths are not going to sit by and watch the Federal governement/UN/who ever destroy our Constitution.
I’m in the employ of a municipal LEA and it comes up amongst friends. No way would (or could for that matter) our guys go “house to house” in search of legal arms.
Sarah Brady is a wacko and an enemy of freedom to be sure, but she never said this. Look it up. You SERIOUSLY need a lesson in source selection and vetting. This is getting crazy. There’s a disturbing amount of half-cocked, easily refutable, nonsensical BS being posted here on a daily basis now, and it’s getting sad.
According to gun rights activist Chris Knox (Neal Knox’s son):
"The quote originally appeared in Machine Gun News, June 1991, Volume 5, Number 1, page 6. in the column “RAFFICA” by Dan Shea, Column 2, Paragraph 2. (Also see Dan Shea’s comments, which drives a proverbial stake through the heart of this apocryphal quote).
“Neal Knox checked into this extensively – before it appeared in the National Educator – and concluded that this quote just never happened.”
“It simply sounds bogus on its face, sounding more like dialogue from a bad 1930s propaganda movie than anything a real person would say. It’s often easier to believe something we’d really like to see.”
(The National Educator is described by the Anti-Defamation League as an anti-Semitic periodical “whose pages have honored the leaders of the far-right terrorist gang called The Order and the neo-Nazi paramilitary group, Aryan Nations.” Source: ARMED & DANGEROUS: MILITIAS TAKE AIM AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT: AN ADL FACT FINDING REPORT, Anti-Defamation League, 1994. In other words the National Educator is something other than a professional magazine for school teachers).
The Second Amendment Foundation also comments:
“This phony quote is often cited as a statement from Sarah Brady, Chairman, HCI, to Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator, January, 1994, Page 3. “Sarah” and “Metzenbaum” are sometimes misspelled as “Sara” and “Metzanbaum” on the Internet. [T]he common citation does not check out.”]
This isn’t a trick question. How many of yoh believe that any of our politicians would truly be so stupid as to allow Nato to come in and enforce some BS law? Then ask yourself how many Nato or UN idiots would try? Even if they did. The first day of their casualties would be so high that they would bail in 24 hours.
This deals with a Treaty, so only the Senate has to approve along with the president. So it would not supprise me if they vote for it. It will be attached to some other bill, or be voted on on a Friday or a weekend very late at night with no media coverage. I don’t think they care about us anymore. It is all about power. Clinton tried to get it passed, but the Senate voted it down. Our congress is much worse now than it was in the 90’s.
Agreed. If this ever came to fruition, they would be considered foreign invaders to most Americans. We have so many combat vets, switched on citizens, fudds & bubbas,…when organized, it would be an enjoyable wholesale slaughter. 
I don’t disagree at all BUT, then who’d a thunk we would have continued on this azimuth of spending our way out of a recession or NDAA, or a ton of EO’s, Fast & Furious, Mexico Border situation, still in Astan, Libya, Syria etc. Whether we choose to believe or disbelieve someone else is pulling the strings & the people’s will is not being followed. You know my background & you know I have worked for & protected some of these people & their families. I do have some insights as to their thought processes & ideology as jacked up as that may be. This IS how they think & their ideology.
They are older now & close to their time. They have a dream & we are caught in it at this time. They think differently for a number of reasons.
We are not a member of their club, we did not get the MEMO or were Cc’d.
Right or wrong, it is what it is.
Clearly many American people got blindsided.
How many (to use your words) stupid/idiots voted for Obama ?
I think DW’s original question pertains to Tesler/Moran/Rehberg Amendments
That sounds like a vacation to me.
Friend: What did you do over the weekend?
Me: Harassed some idiot French blue helmets. Picked up this great FAMAS.
Friend: Cool, I got a G36 off some Germans.
Me: Yeah but our buddy over there got a M240B.
Friend: Son of a bitch! Think those idiots will come back and try again so we can get one?!?!?!?!?
Me: Naw, but the new president is promising to invade. Too bad I am too old to sign up. If ya go, grab me some snazzy stuff!
Talk about the death of the NFA 34, etc. with all the battlefield pickups.
Though in all seriousness. I know y’all in the military are good at locking down cities now-a-days. It may not ever be an invasion. It could just be shut down shipping of ammo and goodies. Then it could be just lock down easy areas and slowly creep over time. But logistically I do not see it happening as an invasion. I would see cutting off import/export as the target.
forgive me I am drinking my morning cup of coffee and wiping sleep out of my eyes
I concur.
You can’t attach a treaty to any other bill and it requires 67 of 100 votes to ratify.
Not that this entire scenario / fantasy even makes sense to consider in the first place, but my friends in the French Army would stuff you into a locker and take your lunch money. :rolleyes: ( I know you were half kidding. So am I…kind of)
But seriously, don’t even worry about this hapening. Because it makes no sense.