A couple friends have an LMT MWS, and I’ve always liked them and shot well with them. Fit and finish was perfect. A few weeks ago the bug bit and I needed to have one. Ordered from DSG and they were awesome and shipped fast.
I bought this gun because of its reputation (and my experience) for fit, function, accuracy and reliability. It retails for $3000,so I expect higher quality and QC than I’d fin on your $800 AR.
I’ve owned and built 18 ARs, and the LMT MWS I got has the sloppiest stock to receiver extension fit I’ve ever seen. The flash hider is not timed correctly, and the trigger sear is not centered on the sear release. They have a QC checklist included with the gun that has the inspector’s initials. I can’t see how a novice gunsmith could have missed these things. If I had bought an $800 AR, I might shrug my shoulders, get a locking stock and go shoot it. I didn’t buy that, I bought a $3000 AR. Hell, the $600 STAG Arms kit I bought years ago didn’t have these issues.
I can’t help but wonder if the inspectors missed these glaringly obvious matters, what else did they miss? Maybe it functioned fine in test fire, I didn’t pay all that cash for something that fit and functions fine, butfor something that is top-shelf. I ain’t looking for beauty-contest crap and this one won’t be a safe-queen, but I I’m think I’m gonna give LMT a call on Monday.
*Note the inspection cards say the stock, compensator, and trigger assembly fit and function were approved.
The trigger assembly isn’t lined up to your liking
If so, and with all due respect…personally I don’t see those as problems at all.
Every single SOPMOD assembly I’ve ever used including several on MWSs, MRPs, SR-15s, etc. has had some degree of play in it. And just like yours, the play is increased as the LOP is increased.
Could be your pictures, but your F/H seems to be very minimally off time. I wouldn’t worry about that amount at all. Timing muzzle devices with a crush washer isn’t always exact.
Does the trigger feel, and function properly? If so, then why does that really matter. I still believe my MWS lower has a slightly outta spec pin hole, however after years of flawless function…it’s now a mind over matter problem. I don’t mind, and it doesn’t matter.
Perhaps Gene, or Ryan @ LMT could re-inspect your rifle, however I don’t think it’s necessary.
And this guy is why I purchased my MWS instead of Larue.
My 2 LMT lowers both have wiggle in the SOPMOD stock… have shot hundreds of rounds (both 5.56 & .308) without any hiccups or anything.
But LMTs customer service is tops as I have used it myself once before. So give them a call before bashing there work, which is a recommended process on here
I understand completely. It’s not a matter of the ease pf correcting the issuse, its the fact that with the price point of the rifle the buyer’s expectations are at a higher standard.
Not saying I would mind, just saying I can understand his view point.
It may be the angle of the pics, but I am not seeing the flash hider misaligned. The pic from the bottom is pretty square, and it looks ok to me.
You should know that it is policy around here to contact the manufacturer first before creating a thread calling out their workmanship or quality control.
I forgot about the “every manufacturer is infallible” crowd. Yeah, no matter how much you pay, if there’s a QC issue, the buyer is the ass$#%¥ for even mentioning it. LMT expects people to pay $3000 for this rifle. I paid so much for the added quality control and quality parts (along with all the R & D needed). How much do I have to pay for a quality rifle, and for it to be done right the first time?
If you think I should be fine with these issues, put your money where your mouth is. Send me $3000 and I’ll send it to you, as is. If it’s no big deal to you and worth what LMT expects you to pay, why wouldn’t you buy it?
The issue here is that this is a high dollar item, and that the manufacturer makes such a thing about their QC, they include an inspection card to show you it was inspected and approved. This isn’t a matter of my liking, it’s fact. The issues I sighted are not up to their standard. If I’m wrong and LMT says this is their standard, I’ll post my error.
It is perfectly logical to question a rifle when several QC issues are found, even though the manufacturer says it passed their inspection.The stock fit is the one that really bugs me. The FH ain’t no thing, but is evidence they did not fully inspect the rifle.
Like I said, this is the worst stock fit I’ve seen on any AR, worlds different from the MWSs that my buddies have. And like I said, I wouldn’t have really cared had it been an $800 rifle, but it isn’t.
This is the second issue in the last year I’ve had with an LMT product. I bought their enhanced bolt carrier, factory direct. The carrier was out of spec and would not fit my bolt. I was not the only person to experience this. I had to polish the bolt tail to fit. I’m not adapting to manufacturer’s QC issues any longer. I work hard for my money, and if a manufacturer expects high-dollar for a rifle it is perfectly reasonable to expect high quality and for it to be done right the first time. I have every right to voice my displeasure.
I am not saying that LMT is a bad company, but I want to be honest about my experiences. I will post what they say and how they handle this. Mistakes do happen, and a company that stands behind its products is worth doing business with.
I have a couple friends with the LMT MWS and they are perfect. The tight stock fit is impressive and nice when getting your cheek weld going. Their MWSs are very accurate and totally reliable. They do not have the QC issues that my rifle does. I cannot say how the accuracy or reliability is on this rifle, but understandably question the rifle’s integrity when several QC issues are evident and it is reasonable to expect a quality fit on a high dollar rifle. My expectations are not unreasonable for what I am paying, I only expect the standards that LMT has established for this rifle.
If I may be so bold, look at the actual ports in the flash hider and see if they’re lined up in relation to 12 o’clock on your rifle. Not the wrench flats. I have two BCM purchased A2 flash hiders (one 2014, one 2009) sitting right beside me on my work bench, and the flats do not line up with the vents. It’s off by just a smidgen, and if timed properly, looks just like yours in the pictures. I also have a third BCM A2 flash hider on one of my rifles, and it’s the same. The flats are not perfectly up and down, since I timed it based on the ports when I assembled the upper.
The FS on my MWS looks just like yours… Shoots great. But I only paid $2600 for my rifle so I guess that’s acceptable. Joking.
Questions… Was is it your seeking here? What purpose will posting additional pictures accomplish?
I’m not trying to be a prick, but it seems to me you have two options. Accept the way your rifle is or call LMT and see if they can address your issues to your satisfaction. And, it’s pretty ignorant on your part to believe companies never turn out products with issues from time to time. Until you contact LMT you don’t even know what they will do for you. Also, maybe you should be prepared for all these “issues” to be within tolerance of LMT’s QA/QC specifications.
I can empathize with you, I really can. I’ve had to take my new F-150 in for warranty repair twice in the last six months. Closer to this situation, my new custom Wilson Combat 1911 had to go back for extraction issues… Paid a lot for it. Guess what? WC was great and fixed the issue.
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