New FBI 9 mm load

General Firearms Handguns - Semi Auto
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9 x 19 mm CALIBER AMMUNITION CONTRACTS

CONTRACT NUMBER J-FBI-08-104

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has just awarded contracts for 9 x 19 mm caliber ammunition to Olin Winchester. The ammunition on this contract includes the following items:

SERVICE: Q4364 – 147 grain, encapsulated, bonded hollow point bullet, and a standard primer.

TRAINING: Q4362 – 124 grain, encapsulated full metal jacket. This round uses a fully encapsulated (no exposed lead) bullet with a lead core, and a standard primer.

TRAINING – REDUCED LEAD: Q4358 – 147 grain, encapsulated full metal jacket, lead free primer. This round uses a fully encapsulated (no exposed lead) bullet with a lead core, and a lead free primer. Based on the design of this round, there is no particulate, airborne lead upon firing, making this an ideal round for use in many training environments where a reduced lead signature is desired (such as indoor ranges).

FRANGIBLE – LEAD FREE: Q4346 – 90 grain, frangible, lead free primer. This round uses a lead free, frangible bullet and a lead free primer. This round is designed for use on steel targets, to reduce or eliminate “splash-back” from bullet fragments.

The following agencies are contractually authorized buyers:

Federal Bureau of Investigation

Drug Enforcement administration

United States Marshals Service

Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives

Bureau of Prisons

Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General

Department of State, Diplomatic Security Service

Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation Division

Department of Energy

Other Federal agencies may order, if they obtain prior approval from the FBI.

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Interesting.

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Old news for those of us on the authorized buyers list:D

OK not really, was told on Friday.

I cant wait to get some of this.

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Years ago, we had those Winchester 147 subsonics(FBI load) very poor street performance. I’m talking a chest shot and the guy looks at the officer and says " don’t do that again" Technically, it worked, becaused he stopped and gave up, walked to the ambulance and to the ER. There were others as well.

I’m hoping these work better for them?

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Velocity and Energy performance? Subsonic?

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“Years ago, we had those Winchester 147 subsonics(FBI load) very poor street performance.”

If you had the early Winchester OSM load, then I am sure you know it was designed for use in suppressed MP-5’s for precision head shots, not for terminal performance in chest shots from handguns. On the other hand, most of the robust expanding 147 gr loads that were designed for handgun use have worked very well.

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Yup, that’s what happens when the good ole boy is the expert! They were very accurate.

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Interesting, Doc. You just have access to ALL the good stuff, huh?

Would you by chance know who designed it? Not Burczynski, right?

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I believe this is the load: http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/doc/LEDocs/RA9B.doc

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Huh, I just picked up 100 rounds of Winchester 147gr Bonded “Supreme Elite” PDX1. I had never seen it before and snagged some when I bought my M&P9c. The box is marked “S9MMPDB1”. I wonder if this is similar ammo to what the FBI purchased? I’ll tell you it is very accurate out of my 9mm pistols, but it had a nasty bright white muzzle flash out of my little M&P compact. I hope they added a flash retardant for the duty ammo. :eek:

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Is 9mm issued as often as .40 for the FBI now?

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One of my best friends is a Marshal, he said that they are only allowed .40. I wonder what they will be buying 9mm for.

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No, but it’s an option for certain agents.

They probably won’t. But the contract is open if they need to. It’s just duplicate language from the Bureaus concurrent .40 S&W ammo procurement, which those same agencies can buy through.

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Hi Mr. Green, so we meet again:)

Any of you gentlemen know who designs these projos? I sent an email to Winchester a while back, requesting info…

Better yet, anyone know how to reach them?

So, it is the RA9B, right?

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This is basically an improved Ranger-T bullet, with the exposed lead at the base being covered and the core bonded to the jacket.

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DOE, I wonder what else is on that contract? I’m gonna get fired, I know it:D

Bob

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seem like a weak loads compared to Ferderal BP9LE proven history.

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“seem like a weak loads compared to Ferderal BP9LE proven history.”

What?

Never mind, I don’t want to know.

Bob,
maybe the Bureau’s new ammo with solve your problems? I’m going to bet the folks at BRU tested it in their guns. But, they don’t run lights on G22s that I’m aware of.

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I think happypants was refering to Federal 9BPLE, kids :smiley:

check out test #2

http://frag.110mb.com/

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Ummm, yeah. I gathered.

I’m familiar with the loading, carried it about 20 years ago for a short while.

The “Ferderal” 115gr +P+ isn’t really a good duty load choice anymore due to insufficient penetration on many tests, and a habit of failing to expand in heavy clothing.

It may have been the cat’s ass back in the day, but technology has passed it by some time ago. Even our Federal/CCI LE ammo rep does not recommend it for duty use. This ammo exists only because people still buy it.

Were I to go with a +P+ round as my choice, and I do, it would be a better “loads” with “proven history”, the Winchester 127gr Ranger-T.

Nothing wrong with a good 147gr 9mm, both the Winchester Ranger-T and Federal HST lines are very good ammo.

The bonded load here in question looks quite good to me, I would carry it without reservation for duty ammo, after appropriate function testing in my duty pistol.