Anyone else seen this? I wonder if the ATF Approval may open doors for other manufacturers to do the same thing.
http://www.franklinarmory.com/PRODUCTS.html
Their video link is probably the most retarded move I’ve seen in awhile. I take it they want to market to the “drive by” crowd…LOL!
I heard about that letter. I have not seen the actual letter, but I think it says OAL has to be 26 or so to have a vert grip on a pistol. Isn’t the magpul afg legal? I am thinking about getting one.
Franklin Armory is based in CA and developed the XO-26 as a way to get an “AR pistol” with a vertical forward grip without going to the AOW route.
The Franklin Armory XO-26 has an OAL greater than 26", therefore under Federal laws it is not a handgun but an other (long gun that is not a rifle). Since, it’s an other, it can legally have a VFG without having it be an AOW.
The Franklin Armory XO-26 has a barrel length less than 16", therefore under CA state laws it is a handgun.
Since it is a “handgun” under CA state laws, it is being sold in CA as a handgun.
In CA…
Firearms are transfered via 4473 form & CA DROS system.
The 4473 form allows for “handgun”, “long gun” or “other” & CA DROS allows for “handgun” or “long gun”.
On the 4473, the Franklin Armory XO-26 would be transfered as an “other”.
On the CA DROS, the Franklin Armory XO-26 would be transfered as a “handgun”.
Summary about forward grips on “handguns”…
AFG on a less than 26" OAL and less than 16" rifled barrel pistol = no stamp needed.
VFG on a less than 26" OAL and less than 16" rifled barrel pistol = AOW stamp needed.
VFG on a greater than 26" OAL and less than 16" rifled barrel firearm = no stamp needed.
Thanks for the info Quiet!
Can You be more specific? 16" barrel? > Sorry I am confused with Your summary.
We should be careful not to confuse legality with usefulness here.
AC
He’s saying that if the overall length is greater than 26" and the barrel is less than 16" it is not considered an AOW hence no stamp required.
So if my pistol is 26 oal or greater, I can legally put a vertical grip on it?
On the 4473, was it marked as a “handgun” or as an “other”?
If it was marked as a “handgun”, then you need to get BATFE approval for making an AOW prior to installing a VFG on it.
If it was marked as an “other”, then you do not need to get BATFE approval as long as the OAL is greater than 26".
Still confused. I bought a stripped lower from the classifieds in the sunday journal in a private sale, no gov’t involvement. The lower is laser etched pistol only. So nothing was marked on any form I filled out. This is so confusing. But I can use a afg without worry correct?
I’dd be willing to bet that if its marked “pistol only” it was most likely originally transferred as a “pistol” rather than “other”. Therefore, based on the definitions above you would not be able to mount any sorta vertical grip to include the AFG if I’m understanding it corrrectly.
But the afg is not a vertical grip?
Best thing I can suggest is calling (304)616-4500 and getting clarification directly from BATF.
In regards to an AFG on an AR pistol, see question #7 on this ATF letter concerning AR pistols.
So that applies to all ar pistols, or just if You can get a letter? AFG is not a vertical grip so I cannot understand why it wouldn’t be ok. All of this crap is stupid because the 2nd amendment PROHIBITS the government from regulating guns in the first place.
When my stripped lowers were transferred to me back in 2008, I had to sign some additional form for my FFL because the ATF wanted to track who was having more than two handguns transferred to them at a time. He offered me to take one lower that evening and then return after a week to pick up the other one if I wanted to avoid the form but I didn’t see the point and signed the form.
So, since the 4473 at that time was using the word “handgun” or “pistol” instead of “other,” does that affect my platform configuration options? It’s sounding like the VFG is not only a no-go but the AFG would be a no-go as well?
If the lower is registered as a pistol, do you HAVE to use it for a pistol?
That letter makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. :blink:
http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf
In other words , THIS 
is NOT a Handgun , Rifle , OR SBR 
God help us… 
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Damn. These things would still be considered an assault pistol, therefore be illegal in hawaii.
FML :suicide:
Wow. Legal in Cali, but not in Hawaii?