Getting my first circle dot sight. Has a 65MOA circle, with a 2MOA dot in middle. Will be mounted on one of my 16" rifles.
Im planning a 50/200 zero…depending upon responses here.
My goal: accuracy & efficiency out to 300 yards.
Ive searched interwebs for awhile…here too…not seeing anything on how to use this circle at distance…and/or up close, like inside 10 yards.
If I missed something here, please forgive.
The 4 tick marks on the outside edge…the “north, south, east, west” marks…how are they also utilized?
Any info yall could share to get me started learning will be greatly need & appreciated.
Also- ammo used initially will be MEN 56 gr FMJ.
IIRC, the bottom “tick” is the POI at 7 yards.
http://www.eotechinc.com/holographic-weapons-technology/ballistic-reticle-information
This should help. I can offer a few tips and tricks if your looking for more.
I appreciate that sir…a great starting point. ANY info you feel like giving is much needed. You can PM me if need be at your leisure. Thanks!
The 65 MOA ring is for ranging human beings.
I always found this easy to remember:
That’s great and all, but does POA change from 50 to 200 yards? Seems pretty useless…
It’s for range estimation, not a BDC.
>ranging is useless
>muh POA
Learn your holds. Jesus.
The quadrant tick marks are useful for adjusting your hold if the rifle is canted. Also, EOTech reticles disappear if the rifle is canted 90 degrees and you’re wearing polarized lenses.
The bottom tick mark is not a 5/7/10/whatever meter POA/POI, that’s a huge misunderstanding. It’s a quick reference point for aiming in CQB, but with a 200m zero, is nowhere near the holdover you’ll actually have. It’s best to just learn how to hold. (hairline for brain box, in line with collarbones for sternum within 10m)
The ranging with the reticle is a useful parlor trick. Takes nothing away, but is good to know.
Some people use the circle itself as the aiming reference point within CQB distance, others like myself use the center dot and find that the reticle is subjectively faster and “pulls” attention to the center dot. Can’t explain it, don’t overthink it.
Have you ever looked at a ballistics table for your load of choice? POI at 200 will be within 4" of your POA.
Not very smart, are you?
That’s my point exactly. The purpose of range estimation is what? Presumably so you can adjust POA accordingly, no? If POI doesn’t change significantly between 50 and 200 yards, then what’s the purpose of range estimation?
I assume you meant 200 yards.
The point is that in those 3-4" inches can mean the difference between a precise, surgical hit…and a “minute of man” center mass hit. You may not get to see much of a target that is partially obscured behind cover. Know your holds. In the words of Benjamin Martin, “Aim small, miss small”.
Agreed about the surgical hit. However, a surgical hit and a non magnified Eotech seem a bit at odds. Not that it can’t be done.
ETA: I would also add that range estimating between 50 and 200 is pretty simple even with the naked eye. I would say that if someone needs a reticle to estimate between 50 and 200 yards, surgical hits are not in their future. IOW, range estimation with an Eotech reticle is mall-ninja territory.
If you know your holds for your load and your rifle, inside 200 using an EoTech with it’s 1MOA center dot, you definitely need to know your holds.
Agreed.
Because sometimes you just have to look and observe and not shoot.
Like I said, it’s a parlor trick. No one raises an EOTech to range with, as 0-300 should be done instinctively by visible features of the target alone. But it takes nothing away from you or the optic to know it can be done.
*It has merit when wearing binocular NODs and using an EOTech on a riser. Very rarely done, and outside of the context of a small unit maneuvering under NODs, extremely niche.
I remember reading “White Feather: Carlos Hathcock, USMC Scout Sniper”. In it there was described a quick range estimation based on what a human target looks like to the naked eye of a person with normal vision. A quick googlefoo search turned up something similar described by John McPhee which goes something like:
100 meters- Recognize a face, see what they look like
200 meters- No face, cannot distinguish facial features
300 meters- No hands, soldier can distinguish what the enemy is doing, but cannot make out individual fingers or the entire hand.
400 meters- The head cannot be distinguishable, in fact it looks like they don’t have one at all.
500 meters- Cannot see individual legs, especially the light between their legs, an enemy is moving, but he is moving as a whole, without legs to the soldiers eye.
600 meters- Humans look like little triangles in shape, aka “A fat little triangle”.
Thanks to all who’ve responded…gonna write down all this, and learn my holds as as possible. I like the Hathcock range estimation. Keep any more info coming.
I would say that once you zero at 50 yards, shoot at other distances (25, 100, 200 yards) to learn where your rifle hits with the load you’re using…
I love a circle dot reticle, but I don’t really think of it as a ranging tool. I think the main benefit is that you’ve got that big circle to draw in your eye for fast shots up close, but at the same time, you have the small 2 MOA dot to make a precise shot at distance.