We are looking at hosting Rob Haught for a shotgun class in 2008 and I need a shotgun. My first choice is the M4 and have access to Remy Police shotguns.
I have also looked at Scattergun tech. shotguns and may go that route as well. Anyone own these shotguns?
Ammo. I have access to Hornady LE TAP and Winchester Ranger shotgun ammo. Anyone have experience with this ammo?
C4
If you’re looking at the M4 may I suggest the FN autoloader?
I have the M4 and it’s a nice gun, but you have to put up with 922r. There is no one making enough parts as of yet to make the M4 into what I want it to be.
I’ve actually been thinking of selling my M4 because of this headache. I even got a US made full length magazine tube, so I’m down the path. Even so, it seems like too much of a headache.
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I’ve only shot a few boxes of Hornady TAP but the Winchester Ranger runs just fine. A Benelli M4 would be awesome as would a FN SLP/Winchester SX2. A Benelli M2 (rifle type stock w/ComforTech would be good too).
Interesting about the 922r issue. I did read on the Benelli forum that there is someone making all the missing parts in the US.
C4
They’ve been talking about making parts for a year. Only a couple of people seem to have come through with full length mag tubes.
As it stands if the person making the fire control parts comes through, SOCOMguy made some full length magazine tubes, Surefire makes a nice forearm, and a follower is pretty easy to pick up, so that gets you to less than 10 components.
I figure I’m looking at another $500 in parts, some of the parts I have to buy when they are available or risk missing the boat, just to get to the point where I can convert a gun I spent ~$1500 on.
To say I’m frustrated, is an understatement.
Understand. My Trijicon/SF rep is also big with Benelli so I am hoping to pick an M4 up at around his cost. If I can, then I will go that route for sure. If not, I might just pick up an Remy Police with a 14" barrel.
C4
Grant:
The Reminton 870 is the way to go period! If you go with the Police get the bead sight, add ghost rings, side saddle, short length of pull stock, and a Sure Fire forend. One issue with stock Reminton rifle sights is that only 2 or 3 threads project into the barrel to hold the sight on (Info from Rob himself) and they loosen or shear. If you go the custom gun route have Hans Vang build one for you. Scatter Gun Tech is just a dressed up Express model. Rob can do some really sick stuff with an 870 and I watched him empty one faster than a a guy could empty a Benilli. Federal LE 132 is the way to go for ammo but you will shoot mostly bird shot in the class and just a few slugs and buck. If you host the class please send me the sign up info.
Ironically, if you SBS the Benelli, you don’t have to worry about the 922r BS.
Of course, being in the Navy, it’s kinda tough predicting where you’ll be stationed next and if it will be allowed.
It’s bad enough trying to avoid CA like the plague.
Grant have you considered an 870 or 1187 built by Vang Comp’s? I think it would run you around the price of the M4, (but i dont know what rep price is on the M4 just going off of what i see them for sale on the intranet)
In the name of hard schooling, Id probably take an 870P myself…
The 870P-Max is set up just about perfect, except for maybe the stock. But that can be easily changed out to better fit you. The Hornady Tap 00Buck shoots nice tight groups out of my Benelli M1 S90, but the new Federal Tactical LE13200 “Flight Control” is supposed to be the cats-ass as far as tight 00 buck groups go.
While I understand your point, and every shotgun class I’ve been to has used a pump gun of one sort or another, I have to disagree. I would much rather train with a gun that I’m going to use.
I’ll go against the grain on this one and recommend the 14" 590 with an added Trijicon tritium bead. Vang can lengthen the forcing cone, but I haven’t found it necessary. It’s truly ambi-friendly for offhand work. My second choice would be an 870, rugged and reliable, but not as friendly to left side use.
Thanks for the info. The class will be listed in the training section of this forum.
C4
Have considered this as well. Can get Remy police shotguns at LE Distr. prices so I might just go that route.
C4
Yep, 870p, all you have to do is feed it, “KISS” is best on shotguns,I have had good luck with Federal tac. low recoil.
Grant,
Remington fulfilled a government contract for 14" guns using Scattergun Technologies sights. Last time I saw a Remington LE price list, that model was listed.
A 14" 870 with a one round magazine extension and Ghost Ring sights would be (and is) my personal choice. I own several semi auto shotguns, but none are completely reliable with reduced recoil loads, so I prefer the 870 for serious use.
I’d be more than happy to run by the shop with both a 14" & 18" Border Patrol, and my Ghost ringed 11/87P if you’d like to shoot them one day.
PM me if you’re interested.
This would be my first choice by a long shot (no pun intended). The next shotgun I buy will either be Winchester SX2 Practical Mk I or the FN SLP equivalent.
My second choice would be a Remington 1100 or 11-87 built by someone who genuinely knows how to make them run well. I realize it’s not a popular choice, but I love mine and they work.