My take on the economic situation-am I wrong???

The root of the problem is taxation and inflation. Bottom line, people don’t have money to spend, because it’s being stolen from them by the government and central banks. This means people don’t have the money to invest in things, nor would they have the customer base even if they did. This situation is further exacerbated by overregulation, which further stifles productivity, especially in an environment where capital is already scarce.

The side effect of this is that people don’t want to work. They simply have no motivation. Therefore, the reality outside the markets (on main street, as it were) is that not enough people are producing goods and services. Especially the kinds of goods and services that are important to an economy. Some people react to the lack of motivation by getting on the dole, while others make up fake jobs, and are enabled to do so by government regulation. Too many people want to be gender studies specialists, and not enough people want to turn wrenches and drive combines. That is, produce the very goods and services that sustain life, which is precisely what an economy does.

This brings us to the next problem. All that money that the governments and banks are stealing isn’t being burned. It’s being misallocated to useless endeavors like central planning and wars. These things are giant black holes that consume resources without giving any return. So the few people left who are producing something of value, their efforts are being redirected away from providing quality of life on this planet to things that are antithetical to that end. So things that not only redirect effort away from producing goods, but which also destroy some of the goods that are still being produced.

The US has another problem on top of all this. 75 years as the world’s economic superpower has made us weak. We’ve been able to inflate our currency without diminishing our buying power abroad, which has fueled our laziness, allowing for an entire generation of political science majors who couldn’t produce a useful good or service if they tried (which they won’t). So when reality kicks in, we’re going to find that our supposedly highly educated society actually has the real world life skills of the average third world dirt farmer. Which might explain why California looks like a third world slum right now (it is legitimately unrecognizable).

All this being the case, I don’t see how our economy can improve until taxes are lowered, central banks stop printing us into inflation, and there’s an end the regulatory stranglehold on business. And even if all three happened this very hour, I’m afraid it would be too little too late. Because it wouldn’t change the fact that the generation in charge is spiritually and intellectually dead. If gifted a free and open economy, they quite frankly wouldn’t know what to do with it.

So apparently the plan in place vis a vis the great reset is to centralize everything. One massive global company town. Which of course we know how that ends. Whether it’s feudalism, fascism, or communism, central control doesn’t work. It would simply kill the last remaining net producers on the planet and then everyone would go from poor but well fed to poor and starving. The plan they’re outlining-let’s face it-is turning cities into giant concentration camps.

The million dollar question is what does all this mean for markets and the currencies? This newest experiment in central planning, like all the others before it, has been fueled by debt. Which of course can only last for so long. Namely, it can last only up until the point when the borrowers still have something of value left to their name. Once their wealth has been extracted from them, the lenders will have no further reason to lend to them.

Thus, this cycle can continue up until the point when the average person has nothing of any value left to their name. I would argue we’ve reached that point. Furthermore, I believe what we’re seeing now is the creation of the largest bubble in history, so that when it pops it will destroy as many people as possible. It seems the goal of the great reset is to repossess as much property as possible through the banks and ultimately the central banks. And who will end up wielding that sword is anyone’s guess. One question I’ve never been able to answer is what would happen to the fed’s balance sheet if the system collapsed. Which is pertinent because a system collapse would ensure that the vast majority of property would end up on that balance sheet, with no clear owners other than the shareholders. It’s almost as if the central banks are building their own global government that will at least temporarily supersede elected governments. Fascism without the guise of democracy.

When the bubble bursts, I think we’ll see a short lived period of deflation, with currency actually strengthening. This is because debts will have to be settled. People will be trying to sell assets for cash, to hold onto what they can. This will mean different things for different people. The wealthy will sell their summer house to keep their Manhattan penthouse. The middle class will sell their second and third cars to keep their three bedroom ranch. The poor will sell their jewelry and electronics to keep their car, because they already lost the house.

The consequence at this stage is that everyone will see falling assets and rising currency valuations, and they won’t want to catch the falling knife. This will drive asset prices down even further. Those who still have net worth, and could afford to buy some assets at bargains, will be afraid to do so. They’ll be fearful because they won’t know how long that cash has to last. Perhaps the rest of their lives, which will be especially true for older folks. Their tendency will be to dig in and prepare to ride out a decades-long depression, so even those with cash will be spending like they’re poor.

What they won’t realize is that when the debt shuffle is complete, which will take a matter of months, the currencies won’t have any more value. Once people have saved what they could and lost what they couldn’t, the money will have no intrinsic value to it. Especially since the central banks will be printing at warp speed to bail out the banks, as they become more and more insolvent due to all the defaults. The unwashed masses won’t realize this, but the global economy certainly will. Once they have settled their debts, corporations will be quick to liquidate their cash for assets. This will mean a flood of currency coming back to the issuing states from abroad. And when consumers catch wind of inflation, all that money they’ve been hoarding will come out to play, pushing velocity into exponential growth.

But what about UBI? If the stimulus has proven anything it’s that UBI can’t put money into the real economy. I’m also skeptical that the government or central banks will allow enough assistance for people to save their homes and businesses. They want control, so they’re not about to gift people their homes and especially their businesses. My feeling is that the stimulus is carefully designed to inflate the bubble to its absolute limit, so that the burst is more dramatic. I think what we’re seeing is about all there will be, which is just the crumbs of what’s left over from their pump into the markets. That is, 90% of the so called assistance is going to pump the bubble, with maybe 10% or less actually going to where it’s needed, for the placation of the masses so they’ll agree to it.

Will stocks melt up or down? Initially, I think they’ll crash. Then melt up. But with inflation out of control, will it matter?

When will the bubble burst? Nobody can say. Even the central planners can’t say. One thing, though, I am convinced that the fed, the government, and wall street are all 100% committed to keeping it going as long as they can. I don’t buy into conspiracy theories about this or that person or entity purposefully crashing a market. Case in point being Sep 2019 when the bubble actually did pop, but they patched it up so quickly nobody noticed.

Like I said before, it will pop when the people no longer have any net worth. In other words, when people no longer have anything left worth stealing. One thing people need to be clear about is that the great reset has already happened. The banks already own everything. They are simply allowing people to continue to believe that they own their house or business, for the purpose of keeping things going just a little bit longer, so that they can transfer just a little more wealth. The longer they can keep up the charade, the richer they get. The so called great reset isn’t an event so much as just doing the paperwork so that the deeds will reflect the actual owners. Until then, they’ll allow people to maintain the illusion that it’s theirs.

Well, am I wrong?

my business was destroyed by the gov

I want to work and am rebuilding another direction but being 57 its tougher to redo a business from start in a whole new direction so maybe some have no motivation I have a ton others I hang out with have a ton
those who are bums now I feel were bums before ?

agree on market and currency its a real scary no idea yet some are doing really well like apple hitting all time high with a drop after but still doing well but what is the REAL worth compared !

I do think the bubble is going to be the great reset attempt talked about and planned to happen by the ultra wealthy and our pres and Canadas and others in political lead rolls along with the wealthy

I am debt free kinda wish I had a bunch I could write off :slight_smile: hahahah joking as that is not my nature but I have always lived simple within my means but enjoy getting what I want but nothing to fancy

stimulus ? yeah could be they need to quit giving everything to other countries or better yet just open up let folks decide and compensate those they destroyed somehow like allowing us tax break keep the money we make longer then printing and giving out like monopoly ! that would be a way to also make them tighten their spending belt

our gov is like spoiled millionaire teen daughter with a CC spending daddy’s money

the one thing in general is we move forward as a people and life is always better 50 years later for almost all and I think even with a down turn their will be a rebound and yeah who knows but I have faith its in bigger hands then any leader :slight_smile:

wrong ? NAH I reckon this is a no mans land of guessing what is going to happen and see a lot of it similar I think the # two lazy I reckon we are the same lazy were before and now even MORE SO !!! folks like me hard working small biz owners goes back to #1 stolen by our gov I am still working hard and plan on making my business great again :slight_smile: so MBGA :slight_smile: hahahahaha the next step of MAGA give it back to the people is all I ask

I do like posts that speculate and what folks think

You typed all of that instead of doing what?

Dear gov, keep printing money. We’ll all soon be dirt poor from inflation.

I support 5 ****ing people on my income alone. I’m a mechanic. I don’t need gov help, I live within my means. I work hard and you’re ruining my hard work. I do it right and you do everything I’ve been told not to do.

Whether you are wrong or not, depends on your perspective, IMO.

One of the real problems with our economy are governmental policies that have allowed wages for most earners to remain pretty much stagnant over the last 20 or so years, while the gap between the classes has widened.

I’d only add that it varies by zip code, skill set and demand but other than that you are pretty dead on.

Butt aren’t wages supposed to be set by the free market? If workers were worth more, they’d be making more money.

The free market depends on supply and demand. If you posses a skill/degree that is in high demand but low supply, you will be offered better compensation.

Andy

There is no free market. The government directly takes 50% right off the top. Another untold percentage comes in the form of hidden taxes. Inflation is the biggest hidden tax. Those at the top get first use, before the devaluation, making inflation the same thing as if the government dipped into your bank account and gave a little bit at a time to wall street.

Then there are all the hidden taxes that are built into the price of goods and services you buy. The tariffs on the materials that come into the country, employee payroll taxes, the taxes on the gas used by the trucks for shipping, etc. It’s endless.

Then there’s the hidden tax from regulation. All these people you’re obliged to pay because of overregulation. Accountants for example. There is no excuse for a system where mom and pop need an accountant to avoid paying more taxes than they have to, or ending up in IRS jail. If you’re not a multinational corporation, you shouldn’t need an accountant. Likewise, you shouldn’t need lawyers to leave money to your kids, start a business, etc. And again, these costs are built into everything we do.

Sorry, but that’s not a free market. That’s the government robbing the little guy blind from 10 different directions at once.

This has been a long time in coming and if you were paying attention it was easy to see. How do I know? Pawn shops.

I’ve purchased things out of pawn shops for 25 years. There used to be really good deals on high quality tools, firearms, knives, optics, electronics, jewelry etc…

About 10 years ago the deals became few and far between and have kept getting worse. Why? Nobody has anything of any value anymore. Nothing. They own literally NOTHING of value that they can sell or pawn. They own NOTHING.

Take TV’s. At one time a decent used TV, few years old, had a bit of value. Now? I can buy a new one thats IOT capable for $200. Why would I ever buy a used one? Same thing with tools- used to see lots of decent Craftsman tools along with high end stuff- Mac, Blackhawk, Proto, Snap On etc…Now, all you see is Harbor Freight shit. Garbage.

Guns? 99% “Walmart Package” hunting rifles- bottom of the barrel $299 when new rifles. Used to be lots of Winchesters, Remingtons, really decent older Milsurps sporters etc…All replaced by El Cheapo plastic crap. I used to buy REALLY nice guns out of pawn shops- pre lock Smith Revolvers, Pythons, Colt 1911’s, Ruger #1’s…Hell, I bought an HK Sl 6 out of a shop here in town!

At one time during the mid 2010’s Ez Pawn stock was over $40. It’s now $5. Why?

A big part of it is Gold. EZ was able to melt HUGE amounts of gold from rings, necklaces etc…and scrap it for good money. I know because one of the guys in Austin in their receiving was a buddy of mine and they regularly used to get Fed Ex boxes with 20-30 pounds of gold jewelry in them that they would send to a scrap melter in Houston. Now, none of their clientele has any gold, it’s all gone.

It’s to the point that about 3 years ago I started seeing pawn shops selling used SHOES and BOOTS! No shit, they literally are selling Nikes and Uggs etc…now.

It may not be intentional (likely is) …but the fact is, “average people” are slowly being impoverished. We are nearly at economic slavery, which is no different really- and more efficient, than actual slavery.

one thing small biz gets no tax help compared to mega corps like amazon and such and they of course make so much more ?

owning a biz is about freedom and personal control but your health insurance is insane and the taxes you pay on biz and personal and so on its a rigged system but without it and I reckon we are going to see without many of them as they are being forced out of biz like we saw with walmart in small towns etc…

going to be interesting times as we go through a insane time in history first hand

I don’t get around to the pawn shops much (because like you said the guns are garbage lol), but I have noticed a few trends myself, that make me think the money is almost run out.

The number one thing that worries me is that every single ecommerce site will let you finance small ticket items, like a 20 dollar phone charger. They’re not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They’re doing it because they would lose sales if they didn’t offer that service. I.e. the average person breaks or loses their phone charger, which is an essential these days to conduct normal business, and apparently they can’t replace it without having to go into debt. That is, if they had to cough up the 20 bucks on the spot, they wouldn’t make rent that month or what? Well, they’re probably not paying rent anyways, so I guess make their car payment? Put food on the table? That’s a terrifying thought.

The other thing I’ve noticed are the endless sales. When I was younger and cared about electronics and stuff, I remember black Friday deals being hard to get. I remember you had to have your parents take you to stand in line for hours in hopes of getting the 5-10 Nintendos that Walmart had for maybe 20% off. And the sale was that day only. Now you see these sales for like 40% off, and they run from Thanksgiving to after New Years. I’m getting dozens of emails on a daily basis now that reek of desperation (Wait!!! We’ve extended our sale!!! Now take an additional 10% off!!!). So while holiday spending is supposedly on par with previous years, I have to wonder what profits look like. As a small businessman and business major, I like to think I know a little bit about supply chains and pricing, and I can’t see how they’re making enough profit to pay their expenses, much less take anything home, by selling anything at 40% off. I think at this point a lot of them are actually losing money just so they can move their inventory so as to be able to pay their creditors at the end of the month.

Economic variables, concerns, forecasts, market trends, etc have always been a bit confusing and difficult. So, I’ve invested in basics, such as pharmaceuticals, communications, and tech stocks for example. Real estate as well, here and out of the US. The foreign real estate purchases were made when obama took office, call it ‘spidey sense’ for lack of a better term. Simple straightforward industries that everyone needs. It is also of benefit to have some capital in foreign banks, in addition to a ready cash reserve, dollars and euros. These are the precautions I took over time to hopefully weather any economic storm and become an expat if the incoming bidet-harris administration goes bat shit socialist crazy with obscene taxes and whatever sordid atrocities they plan for the country.

I saw the opportunity and cashed out of the market, paid everything off and I will see what happens next fall.
Seriously considering keeping 10K in cash in the gun safe.

I believe we are headed for an inflationary cycle soon. If that’s the case, it is the first guy with money in his hand when things get tough.

It’s true that most consumer goods have become “disposable” but that is the direction we went. But personal property value is a lot like buying guns. If you buy crap, it’s worth crap but if you buy decent stuff it holds it’s value. Most of the stuff in my safe is worth far more than what I paid for it.

Anyone that owns a LE6920, well Colt Defense doesn’t exist anymore. And while Colt Manufacturing is still making essentially the same thing with the CR6920, eventually those roll marks are going to become seriously collectible, unlike the Colt classic reissues which are almost a Franklin Mint gun.

the old saying buy once cry once

I think there’s a certain logic to paying everything off. I think there’s also a lot of argument to taking out lines of credit, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE CASH TO BACK UP YOUR LOANS, to ride out a deflationary period. All these investors borrowing money to buy real estate might win big, but they might also lose big if they can’t make payments through a major deflationary event, which could last for months or even a year or more before hyperinflation comes to the rescue. Unfortunately most of these investors are like two months of no rent payments from losing their properties to the banks. And if real estate takes a major hit in a depression, they could easily lose every last property they own. So while I think there’s a certain amount of truth in borrowing money while it’s still cheap, I think the greed is going to destroy lots of people.

I agree with almost everything you wrote except for the bolded text above - I think most of our highly intelligent society has significantly LESS life skill than that third world dirt farmer. At least the dirt farmer can grow some food and get by with little to nothing.

A “free market” and “too big to fail” can’t coexist.

Sometimes it takes writing something out to fully wrap your head around the thought.

Cash isn’t bad, if just general access to money becomes a problem. I worry more about inflation, and while I am not a gold bug, maybe that might be a better “store“ of money. Hell, 10 grand isn’t what it used to be.

On the idea of UBI, I think the loft would look at what has happened as a vindication of the concept. They basically subsidized about a third of the economy with made up money and the world didn’t end. If anything it might involve them to go further. AOC has talked about how we have limitless money for wars, but not to hand out to people.

Right now, money is worthless. If you look at the concept of the borrowing rate is what the cost of money is, you could almost say it’s negative.

Deflation is the long-term worry because the population implosion is going to happen in certain countries before it becomes a global problem. Japan is already suffering from it, Italy will be the first western country, and even China is on track to have a serious demographic problem.