I bought a XD9 service 2 weeks ago and I loved it… shot about 450 rounds through it without a single hic-up.
I took my CCW class on Saturaday and while I was qualifiing for the proficiency test, the weapon jammed… FTF :mad: all my trust in this weapon went out the window.
I went back to Cableas this morning and they bought back the XD9 and I replaces it with a S&W M&P 9c, I hope this one will be more dependable.
Bri
What do you mean by “jammed”?
I think you made an excellent choice, but for a reason that is a little over-demanding.
One failure to feed (I assume that’s what you mean by the FTF) out of 450 rounds? Not that I would expect a failure to feed at 450, but if that pistol then spat out 2,000 failure free rounds, would you still hate it?
I am not a big fan of the XDs, but I have not personally experienced or witessed stoppages that were not shooter or ammunition related. I think that the M&P9 is a far superior pistol, but what if it too experiences a stoppage (and eventually, it will)?
Stoppages are a way of life, we do what we can to minimize them, but corrective action must always be part of our personal training.
my .02, worth less due to the falling dollar.
Fail to feed… I couldn’t cycle the slide back so I slammed the slide forward. then the round went to the chamber.
Bri
If your weapon has never malfunctioned, you probably haven’t shot it enough.
Bob
Its not that I dont expect a jam but it happen at one of the worst times. it was a timed test 
It pissed me off!!!
Bri
Well I can’t say that a failure is OK with me anytime. Most of my firearms serve as protectors in some capacity or another. I would try my best to investigate the cause. Depending on the cause would determine my level of trust in a paticular weapon. I’ve never had a malfunction of any kind with HK’s and Sigs in 9mm and 357. Did have a couple in a Sig 229 in .40 sw. Glock have been ok but I’ve two G19’s that were dependable for jams and a G17 that shot about 5inchs left. Almost had to drift the rear out of it’s dovetail to correct.
Now some will say ‘if you don’t have malfunctions, you’r not shooting enough’. BULL SH*T… I’ve shot a few hundred THOUSAND rounds through handguns and absolutley debunk that statement. These statements were probably bourne from the 1911 series. They can be tempermental. The improvement in reliability from Sigs,HKs, Glocks etc. is the major reason I dropped the 1911 as a ‘trust your life’ handgun.
You do have to set yourself for success, what I mean is ammo, mags, lube and maintence.
Ammo is a part of a autoloaders operating system. Go quality, I have never shot anything cheaper than Win. white box (USA), Rem. UMC, CCI Blazer (Brass). If you are determined to shoot cheaper than this then your problems may grow. For ‘carry’ ammo try to choose a top shelf expanding load. I can’t overstate this, FMJ in a handgun for defense makes no sense no matter the caliber.
Mags, these are probably the biggest causes of malfunctions. Try to stay with OEM mags. Don’t be afraid to trash a bad mag.
Keeping a defensive weapon cleaned and lubed properly is good insurance.
If you can trace a problem to one of the above I wouldn’t condem the handgun just yet. Change the mag, ammo etc. and try again. But don’t hold on to a POS gun you intend to defend your life with it.
Huge difference between a malfunction/stoppage and a jam.
All these machines can malfunction on occasion. Malfunction clearance can fix 80% of these in the blink of an eye.
I don’t believe in “flawless” firearms… just very reliable ones.
Why do you assume that the failure was caused by the gun and not the ammo? What happens when your M&P chokes on something?
And I call bull $hit on your post. You aren’t the only one around here with a very high round count. I have been SO’ing IDPA for years and shooting USPSA for nearly as long and I have seen every single major brand choke from time to time, including Sigs, H&K’s and Glocks. And no I am not talking about guns being run with bad reloads and poor home gunsmithing but with factory ball ammo and completely stock guns. Anytime you use a mechanical item bulit by man it isn’t a question if but when it will fail. Some fail more than others but they all fail even with the best of care.
Ok BS, its all because of those damn 1911’s!
Funny I’ve had plenty of malfunctions with my “perfect” Glock.
Theres a reason malfunction clearance drills exist.
Perhaps the statement was abit over the top, but thats for a reason, so people don’t get complacent with there weapon, and don’t practice malfunction drills.
If you failed a timed exercise because you couldn’t clear a malfunction, oh well, the gun doesn’t know the difference, whether its a competition, training, or a real deal situation, but you do. So clear it and move on.
Or, you can call time out, curse the gun, and look at it like a dog looking at a ceiling fan, all while Mr. Bad man beats you silly.
One malfunction in 450 rounds, determine what it was, if it becomes a continous problem, then fix it. For all you know you got the single worse round of ammo ever produced.
Believing any gun is “perfect” and won’t “jam” is living in fantasy land.
Bob
XD’s are junk. What did you expect. My XD starting choking around 1000 rounds. All my friends that XD’s experianced the same headaches.
Plenty of people have trouble free XDs…
I love my new M&P but truth be told there have been plenty of reported issues with them that have had to be worked out.
I seem to see/hear more complaints with M&P’s than with XD’s. I think Glock’s & Sig’s still reign supreme in 9mm with HK right there. But any one of them can have worts. As for XD’s being “junk” well…I would disagree but each pool of experience leads to a different truth.
Any mechanical thing can have problems.
I think knowing clearance drills for when a malfunction happens is a good thing.
I’ve seen guys at matches have their guns malfunction and they stand there staring at it, wondering what the hell am I going to do now? In real life, it’d be over if their lives depended on it.
Tap-rack-attempt to fire. If that doesn’t work there are plenty of other drills.
Guns can malfunction for plenty of reasons. Trading it in prematurely isn’t a solution.
That’s a GREAT time for it to happen if you are into training seriously as it is a excellent yardstick of how well you are doing with Malf. drills.
I personally would not off a gun until I put 1500-2000 rounds through it (two shooting sessions) and continued to have problems. I have no use for unreliable weapons either but I have had guns that Malf’d in the first 500-1500rounds that ended up being rock solid after the first 1000 or so rounds.
Sounds like the round partially chambered if all you did was push the slide forward to chamber the round…bad brass (even if new)…bad mag…dirty ammo.
Hey i have an XD .45 service model I have pumped hundreds of rounds through it i know I have had one jam. The most amazing thing happened I cleared it & kept firing. Sure if every other round jammed I would say the weapon might be crap but in the mean time I will continue to enjoy my XD.
You should have bought a Glock.
(since this thread is gone to shit anyway 
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That’s a fairly unattainable standard.
Now some will say ‘if you don’t have malfunctions, you’r not shooting enough’. BULL SH*T…
It’s really not.
If you shoot enough under demanding enough conditions you will eventually experience failures of some type for some reason, including ammo issues, magazine issues, and less commonly things like parts breakage. This is especially true as you shoot handguns that have been through tens of thousands of rounds.
… I’ve shot a few hundred THOUSAND rounds through handguns and absolutley debunk that statement.
A. Are you sure about your round count?
B. Your personal experience is fine and dandy, but it isn’t as significant as the accumulated experience of armorers and trainers who have seen wear and tear in issue numbers on various platforms.
These statements were probably bourne from the 1911 series. They can be tempermental. The improvement in reliability from Sigs,HKs, Glocks etc. is the major reason I dropped the 1911 as a ‘trust your life’ handgun.
I’ve seen my share of Sigs and Glocks poop the bed too. The 1911 may be the “king of feedway stoppages”, but I’ve seen plenty of Glocks puke, as well as Sigs, Berettas, H&Ks, etc.
Largely the malfunctions I’ve seen are the result of magazine or ammo problems, which are common and can plague any handgun at any time. Still others have been the result of parts breaking because of wear on the weapon. The smallest number of issues has been QC style stuff…as in parts busting prematurely and rendering the weapon useless, pins walking, etc.
Ammo is a part of a autoloaders operating system. Go quality, I have never shot anything cheaper than Win. white box (USA), Rem. UMC, CCI Blazer (Brass).
I hate to break this to you, but none of that is what I would consider “quality” ammo. Yes, it works most of the time, but I’ve had plenty of issues with WWB and UMC ammo.
UMC ammo in 9mm is weak and dirty. WWB is dirty but functional, providing they can remember to put a primer on the round. I’ve got several WWB rounds at home that somebody forgot to put a primer in.
Even “good” ammo can have problems. If you shoot enough you are going to encounter some ammo issues sooner or later. It’s a matter of statistical probability. Fire enough rounds and stuff that has a fraction of a percent of a chance of happening on any given round will eventually happen.
Mags, these are probably the biggest causes of malfunctions. Try to stay with OEM mags. Don’t be afraid to trash a bad mag.
Keeping a defensive weapon cleaned and lubed properly is good insurance.
If you can trace a problem to one of the above I wouldn’t condem the handgun just yet. Change the mag, ammo etc. and try again. But don’t hold on to a POS gun you intend to defend your life with it.
Agreed.
One FTF in the 1st 450 and you sold it back, might want to buy a revolver and stay away from the autos. Some just don’t understand man made machines. Nothing is 100%, all of the posts above are right on the money.