The military using a particular peice of kit is never a valid reason to follow suit. The contrary is more likely to be the better option.
Still, the SOCOM profile M4A1 barrel is pretty thick under the handguard.
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That is true to a point. Is there a problem with AAC suppressors that I wasn’t aware of? SureFire suppressors and weapon lights? Glocks, H&Ks, and German SiGs? FN, Colt, and H&K carbines? Aimpoints? ACOGs? NightForce and Schmidt & Bender optics? Daniel Defense and KAC rail systems? All of these are widely used by military and law enforcement end users across the globe. Are they not the standards by which all other devices in their respective categories are judged?
That is not to say that we cannot do better than what the military uses, by any means. Merely saying that because ‘the military’ uses something, it ought to be avoided is rather silly. Especially when the reasoning behind the choice is sound, as it is (IMHO) with a ‘pencil’ or lightweight barrel.
Manta rails seem to be pretty good at handling heat. I just ordered a set of their new vlp very low profile ladders. Will update when I test…
I hope you will not mind some input. That scope is waaaaay to far back. It has nearly 3 inches of eye relief, and it is sticking back behind the charging handle by a half inch or so. Normally your nose should be within touching distance of the charging handle, with the scope about 2 3/4 in front of that. Although I am only 5’10 I would have to crane my head way back to use that scope. FYI.
That seems to be an overbroad statement as it seems to mean that we need to select completely different equipment than the military. Lots of the .mil stuff is very good or great.
So, since .mil uses Aimpoints and Eotechs and ACOGs, we need to find a different optic.
Since .mil uses Colts, we should stay away from that brand.
etc.
See the problem?
I see no problem. The majority of military issued kit is crap. Lowest effing bidder. Eye pro, gloves, various pieces of cold weather gear (except the fart sack), bla bla bla. I could name a hundred examples if I went down a TA50 list from my last deployment. EOtechs are crap compared to aimpoints. Standard charging handles are crap compared to the gunfighter. The issued BUIS? Crap. The elevation knob gets caught on crap and is never left where you want it.
Military issued kit does not mean it is good.
It means someone won a contract because someone is in bed with someone else who owns a company or someone just got lucky because they cut enough corners to be able to make the lowest bid.
Glad to see someone approached this. I thought the same thing. Granted I don’t run a scope but still…
BS. It’s 90 rounds. In what possible defensive scenario would you be firing 90 rounds of sustained fire and be worried about your hand getting hot?
Use your imagination.
90 is nothing.
That’s a great point. I’ll look into that. I do seem to remember having my head pretty far back on the stock. It’s so hard to set up optics and keep the 3bucc brass catcher block on the rail. I’ll go pull it from the safe and see how that scope is.
Here’s where I have my 50 Beowulf scope sitting and that’s a slug scope with 5" eye relief
That’s what I thought. Any time you’re wanting to come back to reality, we’ll be here waiting.
SHTF can take many forms. I don’t need to spell them out for you.
In the mean time, feel free to add something of substance to the discussion other than flippant and trollish remarks. Otherwise, piss off.
And yet if someone was asking about, lets say,
A Colt 6920 with Matech BUIS, a stock charging handle, an EoTech, and a VCAS sling… all of these being military-issue kit, the only thing you’d likely hear on these forums would be: Where’s the weapon light? I mean, aside from the AimPoint crowd possibly raising issue with the optic. But the AimPoint is also military-issue kit, so there is that…
A lot of military issue kit is crap, yes. But a lot of it is very good and some of it is even class-leading (like, for instance, the AimPoint CompM4 and Micro T-1).
Maybe I just have a crummy imagination, but the sorts of situations I imagine dumping ninety rounds in a hurry in are followed by me standing on a ridge top, rifle overhead, yelling, “Wolverines!”
Something of substance. Such as “Watch out, your hand will get hot in a 90 round gun fight”?
I concede defeat. Pissing off initiated.
Well aside from the banter, my scopes ARE too far back. Dang, need a new mount. Rings won’t let the bell clear the troy rear sight. Looks like another larue order.
Can we please keep this on track?
Skinny barrels heat up more quickly, but they also cool down more quickly, so there is a trade off. The rail also has a lot to do with the temperature. More material takes longer to heat up, but also takes longer to cool down.
I believe the DD lite rail has a fair amount of material and probably takes a little longer to heat up. But because you are using a skinny barrel the rail will receive heat more quickly than it would if the barrel were heavier.
So the length of the rail is also a factor. It is just like a heat sink on an electrical device. The bigger the heatsink the more the heat is distributed and the more surface there is to transfer the heat into the air.
I personally like the idea of using a thin lightweight tube type handguard like a Noveske NSR in a longer length (13.5"). with a thin barrel.
Yes, the handguard would heat up quickly, but it would also cool quickly. AND the rifle would be light. Simply put some Noveske handguard panels on and BOOM you got a pretty good setup. Wear gloves anyway.
If you are worried about shooting 180 rounds of sustained fire, which seems high to me, get a gas piston rifle like a SCAR.
Good points, but the NSR is only about 1oz lighter than the DD lite.
Yeah, I was speaking in general terms. I know not how exactly a skinny compares to a g-profile.