This isn’t really a new build, it’s more of a re-configuration. The basic gun is the same but I switched out the LaRue BUIS for a Troy, ditched the vertical grip, moved the 6P over from another carbine and installed a Vickers sling.
Here are the complete specs:
PWA ‘Commando’ lower receiver
CMT/Stag Lower Parks Kit
Tango Down grip
Magpul trigger guard
VLTOR buttstock with H buffer
CMT upper receiver
Sabre Defence 1:7 twist mid-length barrel
LaRue 9.0
CMT M16 BCG with MP’d bolt and Wolff Extra Power extractor spring
PRI Gas Buster charging handle
LaRue EoTech Riser mount
EoTech 552 Rev F
SureFire 6P
VLTOR SureFire mount (Classic)
MI #6 Sling Mount
Blue Force Vickers 2-Point Sling
Tango Down panels
Magpul rail ladders
Here’s a few gun porn pictures with a couple of M&P9s thrown in ‘just because’. One’s mine and one is Dingers.
Very nice looking rifle. But I’m with Dport…what are those two things next it? They sort of detract from what would otherwise be an superb visual experience.
Some of your changes were the catalyst for some of my changes. The switching to the Troy BUIS, and the way you mount the Vickers Sling through the VLTOR for instance. Based on LAV’s advice I ditched the vert grip. I love the way the mid-length balances now!
However I did want a light on mine because this will be my primary carbine.
Very nice. Have you got a chance to shoot her yet. Also how do you like the M&P pistols. I haven’t gotten a chance to try one out. Wondering on out their out of the box accuracy and overall ergonomics.
Nothing is ever done, I thought my middy build was done Dec. '05 but last fall I replaced my BUIS with Troy FDE and sling with Blue Force Gear IDF style with QR sling swivels.
Mine is similar to yours except mine is with tan furniture, Denny’s Guns Operator Rock Creek medium contour barrel, TD VFG, MIAD grip, Aimpoint and Surefire M961C.
I don’t know why anyone else is doing it… but here is my reply to the same question from another board a couple months ago:
Did you dump your Vertical Fore Grip for the shoot (match) or altogether now Jeff?
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After much trial and error, I have come to the following conclusion: -Guns that I do a lot of CQB work with I prefer the vertical foregrip. The vertical foregrip helps me "drive" the gun on closer targets, is more ergonomical for accessing a weapon mounted light, gives more power on muzzle strikes and weapon retention, etc.
On guns that I do a lot of *long range shooting* with, I prefer NO vertical foregrip, because I can steady the gun much better on longer shots [b]without[/b] the vertical foregrip. The lack of a vertical foregrip also helps me drive and stop the gun better when transitioning from one target to another at longer distances, and has an advantage on barricades, etc. The rifle match has 75%+ of the targets placed from 100 yards - 425 yards.
Something that I noticed when using a vertical foregrip and long range targets....when I would transition from one target to another, I would always pass the target I was transitioning to and have to come back to it (ie. I would "over shoot" or by pass the target).
I don't know why, but on close targets I can drive the gun and stop on a dime at close distances....but at long range targets, I would always pass the target and have to come back to it.
Without a vertical foregrip, I can stop on a dime when transitioning from one target to another at longer distances. Without a vertical foregrip, I wrap my hand round the forend and point my index finger in the same direction as the muzzle (index finger is pointing forward along the 9 o'clock rail) Example: [demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/PRM-2006.11/?small=D100_5707_img.jpg](http://demigod.org/%7Ezak/DigiCam/PRM-2006.11/?small=D100_5707_img.jpg)
On my guns that have ACOG's, Leupold MR/T M2's, (guns set up for medium to long range shooting) I have removed the vertical foregrips and run just the LaRue handguard and Tango Down pannels.
On my guns with Aimpoints / Short Dots (work guns or guns set up for close to medium range shooting), I still run the vertical foregrips.
Distance = time. Time affords you the ability to get into more stable positions (ie. sitting, prone, braced kneeling, the use of barricades, etc, etc.) In these position a vertical foregrip has no advantage, and can often get in the way. When most of your shots are closer and you are in the standing position or on the move, this is the area where the vertical foregrip shines. I guess it's all about selecting the right tool for the job. Just my opinion based on my personal experiences, as with all things, your milage may vary. [;)]
