Hey guys, I’m currently building a rifle and I am at the point where I have to make a decision on a barrel. I’m planning on a 16" barrel and I have to make a decision on muzzle break. I live in a state still living under the AWB so I believe I’m not allowed to put a supp. or hider on and whatever I do go with must be perm. attached. First off, what are the technical differences in breaks, supps, and hiders and do you have any suggestions for a break that would work best. ( I have heard that a mini Y-comp. break is extremely loud and obnoxious)
Skip the brake… Do you realy need help to control a 5.56/223?
They are loud; if you shoot near other people at the range they will get tired of your extra noise.
You asked the differance:
-A flash suppressor does just that; it cuts down on the flash.
-A muzzle brake directs gasses in a given direction to help you control the recoil.
-If your still under the ban then you can only have a brake and it must be perm attached.
So why do you need one?
My wifes AR is of the “during the ban” type with a 16" M4 profile bbl without anything added and it shoots fine.
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/barrel-assemblies/pbbl16m4a.asp
So there isn’t much of a difference between having a break and not having one? So what is the break for then, 3 burst and auto?
There is a difference in one with and one without. I will hold that anyone who believes otherwise, is wrong.
If you want a brake, get one, unless the place you shoot at has a restriction on them. If you shoot competition, you will have quicker follow up shots.
Three things you can do.
1-Get a “preban” lower and set the upper up with a flash hider of choice.
2-Go with no brake.
3-Get a brake of choice. I’ve had the mini Y and the AK brake. In my opinion, the AK is better. It seems to be just as effective and not as loud.
Look at the BUshmaster Shorty AK(14.5 w/perm attach.
I guess there’s 4-preban with a brake.
Mark
As Mark stated: “If you shoot competition” “If you want a brake, get one”
What do you plan to use this weapon for? Self-Defence/SHTF, plinking/target shooting at the range, hunting or competition.
Do you want a brake for looks? So that you don’t have a plain end on the barrel.
I’m not aginst a brake if you feel you need one. I just would not have one myself.
I’ve got a Phantom flash suppressor on my M4. I liked it better then a standard A2 FS.
The MSTN QC brake is pretty much the best brake I have seen, or you can go with a Surefire Brake for the can they make.
It makes a difference. Yeah, 5.56 is puny but less recoil is always appreciated.
I’ve shot an IPSC gun with a JP Brake on it. Very Sweet! The only problem is that the barrel looks like the business end of an Abrams!
You are getting ridiculous. He heard your opinion on why he shouldn’t bother with one. Frankly, his tastes are probably different than that of your wife. So, let him take in other suggestions instead of commenting on each one a person makes.
Usually people suggest a break for competition because they help and noone usually wants one unless it’s for competition- that is unless they are under a ban and want something besides a bare muzzle.
Go ahead and get a brake. There’s a few newer ones that don’t work exactly the same as the Y-comps do and blow out your neighbors.
Let me clarify one thing. I don’t think the only reason for a brake is for competition, although it may seem that way. If the goal is to put fast, effective fire down range with no regard to muzzle flash, you can’t beat a brake.
Any weapon set up with a brake will always allow accurate quicker follow ups than with a like one w/o.
Just trying to get more info to help us help him.
I don’t care what anyone hangs off the end of their carbine. I just hate to see someone waste money on an item that they may not need.
And I can be ridiculous if I want…
I never saw a rule that said that I could not comment on someones post. We are here to share info and ideas right?
Seemed you were taking any chance you could to say he didn’t need one. seemed? I take that back. You were.
He wants opinions on different brakes, not opinions on why or why not he may or may not “need” one. It’s very stupid to get into the discussion of why someone “needs” any accessory for an AR. That argument always sours fast.
He doesn’t need a brake. He WANTS a brake. Give him info on brakes, not info on NOT getting a brake.
You aren’t giving out any helpful information. Were you insistent on a different brake because you personally know it to be better than most, I’d say yeah, tell him over and over again to get the point across.
I don’t like brakes but that’s what he wants so his barrel doesn’t look ridiculous.
Ok whatever; Let’s wait for JmasterJ to log back on and maybe this will sort itself out. I don’t want to hi-jack his thread with our bitching.
Besides it won’t be long before someone post that retard pic…
I also hav eone of these on a 6lb .308 bolt gun, feels like a .223. My 9yo son even shoots it with ease. I may do one on an AR. It’s a Holland Quick discharge brake.
Check Brownell’s to, they have different thread sizes and pitch’s.
Mark
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=109958
It’s cool all…I’m newer to the AR platform so all of this info. is a goldmine for me, bias or not. To answer some ?'s…I won’t be in competition…at least for now, so this firearm is purely for HD, range time and something that I can take to a few carbine courses and beat up a bit. Honestly, I’m not really a big stickler on whether there is something on the end of my barrel or not but I will cringe to say it…I do appreciate a good looking weapon too.(of course only if the addition has a functional purpose that doesn’t out weigh the performance)
I guess I’m wondering if having a break outweights not having a break for my purposes but SECONDLY, do breaks differ in performance? Which is best?
As for the preban questions…I do have a “preban” rifle but that is worth more to me personally for the “preban” status(I can do any configuration I want to it as long as it’s 16" long) so it won’t see dirt and grim as much as this new one will. And I really plan on beating the shit out of it too!
SO…suppressors and FH’s are the same thing pretty much?
If I’m not being clear just ask me to clarify.
Thanks
GO PATS!
we are talking flash suppressors and not sound suppressors here right??
JmasterJ,
Since you’re living in a ban state and want something on the muzzle and can’t have a flash hider and have considered a brake/comp check out www.AKConcepts.com, I have the DNTC on my 3gun rifle, it works very well, it does increase the flash but does cut down on the recoil quite a bit. The Bennie Cooley brake from JP rifles is excellent as well. Both the DNTC and the Cooley are VERY LOUD, you won’t make many friends at the range using one. I do love my DNTC even better than the Bennie Cooley I had been using.
Here’s a pic of me shooting mine on my 3gun rifle shooting Guatamalan ammo.
This one is with American Eagle 55gr AE223 ammo.
Another good choice that looks good perm. attached to a 14.5" barrel is the KKF A3 TacBrake, I used on during the ban. It’s not too loud but looks pretty good. Kurt also makes a A3 faux flash suppressor.
http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/page/page/29585.htm
A3 faux flash suppressor.
Yes…we are talking Flash Suppressors…
Is flash like with the Guat. surplus ammo in the picture above pretty standard with breaks or is that ammo specific? May be a hinderance in low light training or situations but I guess that’s what I’ll have to deal with. As for the LOUD breaks…I don’t want enemies.
THAT’S the brake I wanted to point you towards- I mentioned a newer one that’s popular here but couldn’t remember the name.
Sorry about your Patriots. I am happy to see the Colts in the 'bowl though because they will be a good team for the Bears to beat up on.
Yeah…best of luck to the colts…they certainly deserve it.
Thanks for the insight on the brakes everyone…I’m sure I’ll have other ?s as I go along.
Also…anyone in here know Pat Rogers or if he frequents the forum? He is supposed to do a carbine course in Pelham, NH. this summer but hasn’t gotten a date set in stone…I would like to attend under his instruction.
Thanks
JM
Yes, he shows up often to give advice and to help us out…
I seem to see posts by him in spurts though. Probably doesn’t h
ave much time and when he does, he tries to help as much as possible.