Not a lot of details but looks like there are several casualties. Hope they off the perp(s). There’s no mistaking nefarious activity on this one, if you have “multiple deputies” down someone needs killin’.
Anyone familiar with the area?
And here we have the opposite end of the spectrum from the other thread.
I hope the officers are able to recover, and the negligence of idiots didn’t cause potentially fatal hesitation.
Shooter is down. It’s a nice area, in an apartment complex. Just released it was a domestic disturbance. 5 deputies shot, one killed. Two civilians shot by perp. Shooter is down, believed dead.
Domestics will get your ass killed.
You going somewhere that people are already passionate and fighting.
My thoughts and prayers are with those impacted by this tragedy. I do hope the wounded make a speedy recovery, and the families of the murdered find strength.
That’s terrible.
NYH1.
Fox is reporting this as an ambush. WTF!?
Prayers for the wounded and families of the dead.
ODMP says the subject barricaded himself then fired over 100 rounds from a rifle…
http://www.odmp.org/officer/23482-deputy-sheriff-zackari-parrish
Wow, thoughts and prayers for all involved. That just sucks. 
Heinlein’s crazy years.
That is what I have had heard, that a domestic is the worst call you can go to as a cop.
Pretty much.
Here’s why domestics can go south super quick:
Depending on situation and give how the laws are, these people know that there is a better than average chance that someone is going to jail.
DomVio in the hood? Business as usual (kinda)
DomVio in a good area? My heart will no shit skip three beats.
Because if the male goes to jail, he will lose his job, his status, his house, etc as far as he can see it. His life, to him, may as well be over.
The person already feels cornered and then the police show up.
Women have, and I hate to word it like this, signed their own death warrant by calling 911. Especially the vindictive ones trying to use the police to “scare” him. Some may well be abused, some may well not be.
So now you have a man or two showing up to your house with guns to take you away from your life because some woman wants to play victim. Because a lot of women who are seriously battered dont call anyone.
Dont misread, understanding mindset is not advocating it.
But thats why I would get butterflies if I had to go to 212 Yuppieville Ct for a domestic. Dispatchers just hear yah-yahing in the background.
So if you are going to lose your happy littke life then what more act of desperation do you have?
Delmar Johnson knows its the usual shit and will just ride, say “man this some bullshit”, and want to know his bond. If it even goes that far.
Clarence Wimberly Vanderhill III will have a much more drastic reaction. He will go from “if I cant have you no one can” to “you caused this” pretty quick.
You may well see him go for his gun or catch him with a gun in his mouth and have to try to talk him down. The fights are usually over money, infidelity, or pill popping.
Those calls gave me the willies and yeah, I will admit, fear.
They have money for nice guns and nobody in a nice neighborhood with spendy cars wants to be seen dragged out of their houses in handcuffs. If they fight, it will be with a gun.
Some may put their own spin, but most will silently agree.
The hood despite its dangers is actually a lot safer than one bad day in yuppieville.
I mean…this slightly above minimum wage NOBODY is going to take me out of MY own 2 million dollar home because the bitch, whom I been keeping up for umpteen years, called 911? And now I’m going to lose MY good livelihood?
Once you peep that perspective, you will see boy will you see why…
Some of these people piss away more in a month than you make in a year.
Yeah…people will kill over that. He may not be as skilled as me but if he has initiative and drive, then a figure 8 pattern out his murderhole doesnt require skill.
I cant outrun a 5.56. Neither can anybody else.
Thats what newer officers dont think about.
I remember about 25 years ago the laws in my state basically changed to if there is pc of domestic assault (which includes threats) then someone was going to jail. They told us no choice- hook 'em up if you have pc. She said he threatened me, well he goes to jail. Even a misdemeanor domestic assault charge will ruin lives, so yes it makes domestics in the affluent neighborhoods much more dangerous in my experience.
VERY interesting take on domestics. Thanks fellas. It makes sense when you think about it.
OJ set in motion the current spate of laws we have regarding DV. Having seen my own father hit my mother I have nothing but disgust for true abusers, whether they be the occasional ones or habitual. Like hit-you-in-the-head-with-a-bat (TWICE!) level of disgust. That said, the “new” laws of the last 2+ decades have spawned and encouraged the lying, vindictive accusations of some real twats. And yes, it is almost always the biotch playing the victim. I can easily see how the “someone’s going to jail regardless” policy, especially since it’s usually the guys, can spark dangerous reactions. Again, I have nothing but utter disdain for actual abusers, but the manipulative behavior of some of the “gentler gender” has only been encouraged by the laws in place. “I’ll fix his ass” becomes much easier, but they discount the chain of events that it might actually set off.
And the cops walk right into the middle of it…
If you actually look at the stats you’d find that isn’t true in terms of fatal assaults.
If you look at the case studies of officers killed on domestics, a number of them broke basic safety rules such as don’t park in front of the call location, don’t walk up the walk to the front door and don’t knock on the door and stand there like your the Avon lady. Simple shit like that that doesn’t take a tactical genius to understand.
Problem is cops get complacent, and unfortunately many are mentored by other officers who don’t have a ****ing clue about officer safety and tactics.
A lot of times we give folks the opportunity to make things worse than they need to be.
Perfect example, not too long ago someone posted a video of an officer basically getting chased down a hallway, and ultimately put down to the ground by the assailant, remember the back up officer killed the assailant?
How prepared do you think the first officer was when tones of fun came out on him? Not very because he hadn’t prepared with the appropriate level of force for the call he was on.
If the officer would have knocked on that do with his OC in his support hand, concealed, and maintained some degree of reactionary gap, when tons of fun advanced on him, guess what should have happened? OC up up, announce SPRAY to startle the guy, and 3 seconds to the guys face as the officer sidesteps, in most cases problem over, even if it isn’t the officer is still able to manuever - he bought time and space and the assailant is no longer 100%. I mean really, who carries a quick draw OC holder? You need that stuff ready.
Same thing with the ASP. If it is in hand, concealed, the officer doesn’t spend the first seconds of the fight trying to scramble back as he/she clears the ASP. Instead the officer is able to move as they expand the asp and then practice hitting the ball off the tee.
You probably can figure how to work a scenario with the TASER and get the same results.
And what if the guy is all friendly and seemingly not a threat? Keep it concealed until you are sure, then either shove it in your back pocket, or put it back in it’s holder/holster.
I’ve responded to numerous DV’s using those tactics, I feel it made me and the subject’s safer. But what really made me safer was the fact that I wasn’t embarrassed or too high speed to follow the basic safety rules of my profession.
In many cases, we do it to ourselves.
BTW: I know nothing about the Denver incident other than what I’ve read on this thread, none of the above was written regarding that incident. My thoughts and prayer are with the familiy of the fallen officer, and the officer’s colleagues.
So question for you: I don’t think you’re advocating going in like a SWAT team or being Harvey Hard-Ass, but your demeanor as a 50% uninvited third party in those situations, where the call indeed eventually turns out to be some vindictive woman, could have an enormous impact on the attitude and reactions of the other 50% of the equation (i.e. the one who didn’t invite you).
I realize it’s a precarious line to walk, but if he’s a snotty, drunk asshole and she is obviously battered, it’s a no-brainer. However, if he’s calm and rolls his eyes at the accusations like “Yeah, I figured the bitch would pull a stunt like this” then how YOU carry yourself could make things go one way or another, no?
I will add that the laws some states have that even yelling or breaking property you own, even without physical contact, constitutes DV are bullshit.
Prayers for the fallen officer, his ijunred colleagues and their families. And thanks for the perspective, LEO boardmates. I happen to find myself in any of you guys’ neighborhoods, I’m buyin’ the cold ones.
As Sgt. Esterhaus used to say, “Hey, let’s be careful out there.”
LOL, you must be “old” too if you remember that! 
Mom was a fan when I was a kid–I was born only a few years before you Joined Up, going by your sig. 
Oh hell…