Motion to make posts in GD not count towards overall post count

General discussion is starting take a noisy tone again with a few standout repeat offenders. While we all know that you need 200 posts to post in the General Discussion Forum, I have seen on some forums where the OffTopic section doesn’t count towards ones recorded post count.

So I hearby raise the motion make all General Discussion Forum posts not apply towards one’s post count.

Will this make some of the frequent offenders on GD slow their roll? I don’t know

Could it cause some of these people to muck up other sections of the site? Possibly, however I also know shenanegins are not tollerated as well in other sections

However I do feel such a change may help the post count meter more closely reflect that members true contribution to the forum, and in turn help some of the newer members determine whether info dessiminated from someone has merit.

Though I still wonder why mods here are so reluctant to hand out points, TO’s, and bans to those who appear to not grasp the mission of this site.

I’m not sure I understand what this would really do…

Who cares how many posts anyone has? I can post all day every day about useless shit that doesn’t mean anything, that in no way translates to any sort of knowledge in any given field…meanwhile someone who’s busy doing shit in real life that posts once or twice a month may not be an idiot, either…

Are people really that concerned with post counts? I mean, who gives a fuck?

I personally don’t give a fuck as I lurk far more than I post, however there may be those those who mistake a high post count as an indicator of X poster being knowledgable on a subject that they aren’t. This may be more likely for new members who havn’t had the opportunity to quite catch the mission/culture of the site yet.

And mainly since there have been talks in the past with forum staff of possibly shutting General Discussion down all together, making General Discussion posts worthless seems fitting given the mission of this site.

Basically I’m just throwing out an idea based on what I have seen other forums do to combat signal to noise problems.

Motion denied:mad:

Won’t do anything; if they’re already in GD, they’re in GD. GD just needs to be nuked.

Denied

I get that GD can get ugly but why not just do what most do and not go in there? I rarely check or post in there and even then, I need to be extremely bored.

Is it bleeding over to other segments of the site?

Yup and certain folks mainly post in GD.

I was going to PM a mod on this but since we’re on the topic (and I can actually post here), I’m wondering if there’s a better way in approaching who can post to GD. Is number of posts really the best approach? I’m speculating that there were many low post count members shaking their heads yesterday thinking, “this guy can post to GD and I can’t?!”

If GD isn’t going to go away entirely (I agree with LL) how about a request system? If you feel you have something to contribute to GD you can formally request access via automated system and you get queued. Designated mods can review your request and look at your previous posts on the other sub-forums. If you show potential as not being a bigot, imbecile, douche bag, <insert troll quality here>, you get access. Access can be revoked at any time.

This puts a lot of work on the designated reviewer mods, but it’s just a thought. I understand that I am new here and my opinion carries very little weight.

The reason they did this in the car forum I’m a member of, is because they have a minimum post requirement for the for sale section.

There is a 100 post minimum and nothing in the general discussion counts towards your count.

This helps a lot and reduces scamming.

Just my thoughts.

I guess I don’t really see it but I’m not up on the politics of GD.

I do think some of the worst offenders/posters on M4C have the highest post counts. Maybe that’s where the correlation rests.

Try to not think that way. “Moderator” may be derived from an older language’s phrase for “smartest retard,” but we’re aware that post-count/join-date has precisely ZERO to do with an individual member’s ability to contribute positively.

If somebody with a higher post-count, older join-date, or similar “silverback” indicator is dicking the dog, they’re likely to get hammered harder on those occasions that they’re out-of-bounds, because they’ve been around long enough to not have an excuse as to why they don’t know better. It’s a error to see post-counts aboard M4C as a substantive indicator of an individual member’s worth, as the M4C Tribal Elders do NOT.

Ergo, it’s an error to consider that making GD posts not count…because they only count in the minds of individual members, most likely as a result of having associated aboard forums and the like where it IS considered somethig worthwhile; that’s complete and utter BS. The M4C staff, quite frankly, would have to be paid a considerable sum to care LESS about post-counts…and that’s not gonna happen.

Unless you guys are offerring to pool your $$$…? We MIGHT be open to getting paid to care less about post-counts… :stuck_out_tongue: Kidding

That’s why the 200-post minimum was the staff’s King-Solomon-cutting-the-baby-in-half for those that want a GD and those that do not. If you get to 200 posts in the technical subforums, which are the center-of-gravity of this site’s existence in the first place, you should know how you may or may not conduct yourself in GD. Don’t think it’s any surprise to note that that’s a nice hypethesis, but doesn’t seem to bear up well, huh?

If one joins M4C for the express purpose of participating in GD, when there’s uncountable venues elsewhere on the internet where one can fart around talking about current events, the most recent political outrages, soup recipes, dogs…again, that’s an offshoot of the attitudes surrounding “social media.” It’s presumed to be primarily “social.” M4C’s stance is that any “social” aspect is a 2nd-order effect, at best, and hopefully derived from like-minded folks getting together out in the fresh air to let freedom ring…on steel targetry.

As for the “more work for the mods” aspect…Report Post (the little exclamation-point button on the top-right side of any post) is severely under-utilized. You’re NEVER gonna get any grief from us for pitching a heads-up to us regarding anything you see as questionable in any thread or subforum, and regardless of the post-count of the person that’s mucking about. I stated in another thread that I was gonna keep humping this leg, and I am…

the effects of action taken based upon a reported post isn’t always visible. This isn’t advertised, folks; we don’t have a public rap-sheet with mug shots and whatnot, so don’t be startled to find out that not every disciplinary action is heralded by me or IG or any other staffer publicly breathing :internetfire: and a bunch of other text-based stuff that will never, ever impact your credit rating or give you excema or have any other real-world impact.

Sometimes, I have a nice home-made marinara sauce reducing on the stove, and it needs to be seen to…

…but high post-count members go bye-bye all the time. EDIT: …and for cause.

As for a “by request” system…Yeah, Ask the SME policy strictly states that members MUST submit their new topic for approval, period, end of story. This policy is one of only TWO stickied threads at the top of each SME section…pretty damned visible…yet a forum full of grown-ass adults that purport to be everyday practitioners of [hushed, reverent tone]Situational Awareness[/hushed, reverent tone] consistently fail to notice that little petty detail on a dialy basis, and have the nerve to get irritated when the obvious is pointed out to them in PMs.

Situational Awareness, my bleeding piles…

Same system for GD…? Sorry, and please don’t take this the wrong way…not only “No,” but “HELL NO.” That wouldn’t work; the juice wouldn’t be worth the squeeze, like it is with Ask the SME, where the feedback is worthwhile. GD produces exactly nothing of similar value to be worth that level of labor.

Also EDIT: Sorry if that reads like a lecture. It’s meant to be more of a “Why” background, not a wag of the finger.

As a high post count member who knows many of the moderators offline, I’d like to point out that I’ve gotten my fair share of warnings and infractions, both official and unofficial.

If more of us trained and shot together, the friction would ease. Since many folk see GD as their personal blog and/or pulpit to rail down at the rest of us; it needs to go.

How about post count OR a time period?

Ive been here a year and it would be cool to be able to bs with people.

Right now, in GD, we have a guy who mainly posts about politics (he’s sold a few guns) ranting and raving about how there is a Marxist conspiracy to use homosexuals to destroy the American family. If you disagree with him, you’re an indoctrinated (by Marxism) adolescent. You. Cannot. Make. This. Shit. Up.

Let’s make this a gun forum; not a forum for paranoid schizophrenics. Let’s kill about 90% of the moderators’ work load and nuke GD.

Yea but that makes it 100% tech forum and 0% community. Imo off-topic interraction is a positive thing.

Jeez. First 4chan, then Reddit and now GD. Can’t go anywhere these days.

Then go train or take a class. Form a regional training group. Go shooting. I’ve met a lot of people from this forum and made some good friends through going shooting.

Personally I’d really like to see that guy with the seriously obese fat fuck in his avatar dissapear for good, that grainy motherfucker seems to cause nothing but trouble.

Some people would be well served by following your, and Steyer’s lead as far as contributing to GD.

The problem is that folks think GD is their blog. GD seems to attract folks that would be better served at the survivalist, prepped, or conspiracy theory forums.

Either we have bullshit being copied and pasted and dropped into GD or we have “the Marxists are coming!” bullshit.

If we force people only to talk about guns, gear, and training, we will build a better community. I am sure the guys currently shitting all over GD will just take their insanity into doomsday prepping threads but that would still be better for the mods and the community.