Ha! Thank you. Ironically, there’s and add for M4C on page 65. Hopefully the officers who read that will come here and see the truth by reading Doc’s stickies.
If LE officers’ lives are on the line, it should be made illegal to propagate inaccurate and misleading information regarding the wounding potential of the projectiles.
Well, I guess for some companies it’s just all about making lots of dough…
Stay safe, guys.
It would be valuable to find out what convinced the Coral Gables PD to adopt this ammo. Perhaps one of our “Industry Professionals” can investigate this.
What a bunch of crap. I sent the editor an email referring her to DocGKR’s article here and suggested they contact Doctor Roberts directly. I fear that everytime Bulmer gets a chance to push this crap, officers lives are put in danger.
Do a Google search for “Bob Pilgrim Le Mas” and you’ll find a number of articles he’s published about LeMas ammo. The guy is a LeMas cheerleader extraordinaire (no objectivity, period). He’s obviously enamored by this bullshit ammo and unwilling to listen to those who disagree with his extraordinary “discovery” I’ll call him “Scoop Pilgrim.”
Bob Pilgrim is absolutely unqualified to write about ammunition performance, period.
All the entry wounds shown in the article are typical of bullets that disintegrate within the first couple of inches of penetration. The “large” area of trauma (specifically torn skin and muscle tissues) is completely unremarkable. Thus the location of maximum permanent tissue disruption occurs at a shallow depth, nowhere near vitals. But hey, it makes for a dramatic photo op, regardless of the fact that the wound trauma produced is unlikely to produce rapid physiological incapacitation. After all, since when do facts get in the way of a sensational story?!
Cheers!
I know the man referred to as “Bob Pilgrim”–under his true name, he is a well respected retired FBI agent with an extensive background in CQB. Unfortunately, he appears to have been duped by the LeMas charlatans–it is sad that he didn’t call the FBI BRF and discuss this topic with them before writing his article.
Just wait. There will be another “Miami” scenario down the road and they will once again be in search of a magic bullet. It’s sad that no one with any common sense dug further into this issue and consulted others.
Perhaps you would contact him and get the back-story.
I forwarded my correspondence with the editor to Doctor Roberts. He is working on a reply as his busy schedule allows.
The excellent hammer forged barrel is fully supported and will handle the most advanced 11 mm loads, such as Le Mas’s 85-grain/2000+ fps armor defeating and soft tissue destroying round. This law enforcement/military only round is capable of turning many handguns into short-range rifles and out of a four-inch XDC I recorded average velocities of 2051 fps.
He has to be getting paid for stuff like this.
Article:
http://www.americancopmagazine.com/articles/ACP/ACP.htm
I find the level of animus displayed on this subject surprising in a forum generally recognized for its professionalism.
Factual observations by professionals on either side of an issue ought to be treated with respect. Hyperbolic characterizations from both sides ought to be ignored.
With respect to the ammo, what it is and how it’s made are facts that can be independently verified and are well known. What it does seems to be in some dispute as observed by professionals on both sides.
I think the tone and tenor of the discussion could be considerably improved.
Did you even read any of DocGKR’s reports on LeMas, and the fraud they’ve been perpetrating on the ammo buying public? Check the tacked topics on the first page.
Actually, I did. I don’t think there is any dispute among professionals with DocGKR’s report on what the ammo is made of.
The tone and tenor or your remarks make my other point without additional comment on my part.
“What it does seems to be in some dispute as observed by professionals on both sides.”
Not really–the rifle rounds act in tissue exactly like what they are–high quality varmint hunting projectiles made by some of the premier bullet vendors in the industry, driven at higher than typical velocities. The handgun projectiles do offer some interesting characteristics. If at all possible, I suggest reading the ARDEC/USSOCOM report on this topic; it is also useful to discuss this issue with the FBI BRF.
I followed your links to order a copy of the report, however you have to be a contractor or “sponsored” in order to get access to this report. Any suggestions?
IN my experience with LeMas, their QC is crappy, making their ammo unreliable. Even if their bullets were magic, reliability is far more important than terminal ballistics.
Unfortunately law enforcement and CQB expertise do not translate into wound ballistics knowledge and expertise. Sadly it results in misinformation delivered from a seemingly credible source.