Mini disappointment

The Form 4 finally came back on my Mini 4, and I was able to make some observations this weekend on a 10.5”, 12.5”, and 16” barrel.

On all three barrel lengths, the ‘blast’ was reduced to nearly zero. Huge improvement and much more pleasant to shoot.

With all three barrel lengths, the suppressor reduced the noise from “really loud” to “loud but not unpleasant without hearing protection”. There was a small difference in perceived noise with the different barrel lengths, but not much to my unscientific ear.

Standing off to the side, there seemed to be a lot more noise coming from the supersonic crack down range than from the position of the shooter. I doubt a larger suppressor would make much of a difference in the experience, being as the majority of the noise already seemed to be coming from bullet flight.

The suppressor did not hide position at all. Someone standing a couple hundred yards away near the main road (over hilly terrain) found it very obvious what direction the shooting was taking place. It just sounded like a .22 instead of a 5.56.

Before the sun went down, I was very pleased with my decision. There was no more blast and the noise reduction was enough for bullet flight noise to predominate. On top of that, all three guns remained well balanced and easy to handle with the Mini 4, there was no excess pressure or debris back in the shooter’s face at all, and all three shot extremely flat. This may be related to the fact that a lot of earlier effort went into tuning the gas ports and buffer systems.

Then the sun went down, and I was surprised by the fact that my ‘suppressor’ flashed a heck of a lot more than I was expecting. I used WC844 pull down powder, which I have observed gives off similar flash to most commercial defensive ammo (and a lot less than cheap plinking ammo). On the 16” gun, the first shot let off a small but significant spout of flame. Subsequent shots flashed about as much as an A2. The 10.5” flashed a whole lot. Not as bad as a classic brake or open muzzle, but not far from it. It was enough to momentarily red-out my vision, even with a light on target. The 12.5” was somewhere in the middle. Not enough to red-out my vision, but still a substantial and distracting plume.

Originally, my plan was to put the Mini 4 on the 10.5” SBR for home defense. My hope was to have something that was as short as reasonably possible that eliminated concussion and environmental disturbances indoors, and was still a lot quieter than an unsuppressed carbine. All of our eyes are different, but for me this combination simply does not work. The amount of flash coming off the combination creates too much of a liability to my night vision to be worth the benefit in the low light environments where home defense scenarios are most likely to occur. If I absolutely had to use the 10.5”, I would rather just use a flash hider and good electronic hearing protection. I think the 12.5"/mini combination would be usable, but still suspect that at a similar overall length and weight a 10.5"/M4 2000 combination would have been better.

Overall, this is how I would summarize my opinion:
If you want a suppressor to act as a brake without causing environmental disturbances (such as in 3-gun) the Mini-4 is a great choice.
If you want a suppressor to shoot at the range with only light hearing protection, or to decrease noise pollution without altering weight and balance too much, then the Mini-4 is a solid choice. I don’t think the experience would be much (if any) different with a larger can, because there is already enough suppression for the supersonic ‘crack’ to overshadow the ‘boom’ from the muzzle.
If you want a suppressed gun to use for home defense or any other defensive scenario where low light may be a factor go for a M4-2000 or similar.

In my situation, I grossly underestimated the amount of flash that would come off of the Mini 4 and wish I had just gone with the M4-2000 in the first place. Considering the proposed regulatory changes to trusts and the fact that my local chief LEO wouldn’t sign if I could not put the new suppressor on my trust, it would be very risky to try to order another suppressor right now. When you add in the near certainty that I will not be at my current job (and quite possibly in a different state) 18-24 months from now when the next Form 3/4 combination comes through, I am pretty much stuck with this for the foreseeable future.

You do realize that the Mini is not intended for SBRs, correct?

I realize that it is not advertised as ‘hearing safe’ below 14.5", which is the reason it is “not intended” for SBR’s. The intention was not to have an OSHA approved “hearing safe” firearm but rather to have a combination that balanced length, weight, environmental disturbance, noise, and flash as well as possible. In essence, shorter, quieter, and less environmental disturbance than an unsuppressed carbine. I knew there would be some flash and was not expecting ninja stealth, but was not expecting enough flash to induce momentary red-out. Even on the 16" barrel (which it is also intended for) there is more flash than I expected.

Mini cans work just fine for SBR’s but they are intended for 14.5 barrels.

I’m a fan of small cans when I’m wearing hearing protection anyway. The small cans obviously don’t work as well as the full size. I like to have both available to mix them up however I choose at the time.

Just out of curiosity, are you using any kind of light while shooting?

Are AAC and Surefire the only options for mini 5.56 cans?

Mini cans in general don’t perform as well as full sized cans, as you experienced.

KAC has a mini in a couple calibers

OP,

I really don’t know what you were expecting. If you would have read here before this purchase, you would have known this.

Mini silencers are a complete waste of time and money.

Obviously mini cans do not “work just fine” with SBRs. Unless you mean that they don’t break or cause harm to the weapon and/or shooter.

I don’t agree, it’s another tool in the toolbox, it’s not a replacement for a full size can. It’s simply another option to use and offers some distinct advantages.

I do agree. With NFA wait times approaching 1+ year, mini cans costing >$600, and being “married to it” for life, there is very little incentive to go with a mini can over a full size can, ever…unless you’re throwing it on a 20" or something.

I would never recommend buying a mini can, unless you already have the full size, or ordered both at the same time. Maybe my point came across wrong. I like having the ability to pick and choose, sometimes reduced weight and size offer advantages over better sound reduction and flash/blast.

Indoors, there’s a very good incentive for a mini can. Since you’re trying to go as short as possible and a can is better than no can, a mini makes a lot of sense.

That being said, I have a SDN-6 on my 10.5" 5.56 personal weapon.

Lol, what else would I mean?

They’re not going to have the sound reduction of a full size can, especially on an SBR. A person would be foolish to think so. But they definitely take the bark and bite out of it.

Griffin makes a mini can as well
http://griffinarmament.com/silencers/556-silencer/m4sdk/
Although Im not a big fan of their guillotine style attachment. I was ready to shell out the money for one til I saw it in person. Im going to go with a specwar 5.56 to match the 7.62 Im waiting on instead.

I have a Mini4 and a SDN6. Never used the Mini4 on my SBRs, I use the SDN6. I use the Mini4 on my 14.5” and it works great, so good that it is very difficult to tell the difference between the two cans.

Where the Mini4 totally ROCKS is on my 18” Noveske with a Switchblock. It is like it is made for it and the POI shift is negligible.

Yeah, I was thinking about getting one since I don’t have an SBR and using it on my 14.5 and 16. If I went SBR, I would probably get SDN-6 and also use it on 700 AAC.

Yes, surefire x300. Flash still gave me red-out. Other eyes might have a different experience.

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OP,

I really don’t know what you were expecting. If you would have read here before this purchase, you would have known this.

Mini silencers are a complete waste of time and money. [/QUOTE]

I read extensively here and elsewhere before this purchase. Others recommended a mini over a full size for a gas gun because (with port and action noise) db to the shooter was similar and weight and balance were superior. I was just looking for something to cut down on noise and blast “enough” while still remaining as compact as possible. I expected some flash, but not so much as to render the combination unusable in low light. With the exception of the massive amount of flash, I got exactly what I was expecting. Part of the reason I posted was to emphasize the amount of flash coming off the SBR/mini combination. I do not feel that it was emphasized enough in the threads that were searchable at the time I made the purchase, and wanted to put the information out there for others contemplating a similar choice.

It is still ‘usable’ with the 12.5" at a similar length and weight to a 10.5" / M4 2000 combination. If someone could only have one ‘do everything’ AR and wanted a suppressor only to mitigate noise and minimize environmental disturbances indoors, the 12.5" / mini might be an attractive combination. I think for my purposes the 10.5" / M4 2000 would have been better. Interestingly, it looks like the individuals in Koshinn’s picture above might have 12.5" barrels with their mini cans.