Mid Lenght Dilemma, CMMG vs. Sabre Defense.

Since my name was used, I’ll jump in.

A few years back, CMMG did a run of middy barrels for me. These were the first middies available in 4150 with a 1/7 twist. I went with CMMG as lots of folks were running their barrels and everyone was very happy with them. One example that stands out was a report that Yojimbo wrote up.

Gas Port was located 1/8" too far forward as a measurement was made by them, or their machinist, from the wrong side of the flange of the barrel extension. While this, in and of itself, has not (to my knowledge) caused any issues, there were other issues that mainly revolved around poor accuracy on some samples and tight chambers.

My personal sample, as well as one that K9DPD has run, have been quite accurate. I know K9 was hitting golfballs with his at 100 yds with an ACOG IIRC. Mine, at 50 yds has always been more than accurate enough. However, with certain ammo, my personal barrel has started to experience some FTEs which evidence themselves with stuck cases. Mostly with Wolf, but I THINK I’ve had some with good brass ammo as well. Probably Remington from WalMart, but I’m not sure.

Near as I can figure out, as the tight chambers and poor accuracy were never root caused, is that either the chamber dimensions did NOT take into account the thickness of the chrome lining, OR the chrome lining is inconsistent thicknesses OR the reamer used to chamber the barrels dulled considerably during production of this run. Perhaps it is a combination of all 3 on some. I know that Steve from Adco and Mongo both experienced VERY poor accuracy, and I think keyholing from their handloads that have shot well out of every other barrel they’ve tried.

As it stands, I’ve got 4 barrels still sitting here. One is my personal barrel I’m still using, but will probably discontinue if I keep exeriencing stoppages (although I’m tempted to have Ned ream it with his 5.56 reamer to see what happens). The others are just expensive paperweights.

I have NOT tried any CMMG barrels since that time. Perhaps they have improved. However, from reports I’ve read here and on Lightfighter, it seems that tight chambers have plagued them on and off since my barrel were produced.

Some folks have good luck. For instance, I understand that KevinB has 1 or 2 SOCOM style barrels from them and they seem to run fine. Others are not always so lucky.

I did notice that in 2 of the gun rags this month, they had write ups on their products.

Jeff and John are good guys. They’ve got a nice setup there and run some good shoots. If they could improve their consistency, they could definitely compete even moreso than they do now.

I refuse to talk bad about them as they were good to work. My barrel experience was definitely not a good one, and I personally lost thousands of dollars on that thing. However, I do believe that it paved the way for others by demonstrating the viable market for 1/7, 4150 middy barrels. If nothing else, it has allowed others to enter that market and do quite well.

Giff

I and my fellow dealers have seen to many issues with their barrels (and other items) to recommend them any more (which is what I used to do).

C4

Thanks Giff. I also think you were hung out to dry on that deal (sorry).

C4

It definitely could have gone better…

Since my name was brought, I will comment,lol My Giff barrel has been good to go, no issues what so ever. I have over 4000 rounds of 75 and 77 grain bullets and it is 100%. I have also purchased a 14.5 middy from CMMG and it is also a great barrel, it has been through a Super dave and a Vickers class and the barrel is still running like a champ. So on my limited experience it has been good, but I am sure the dealers see alot more collection of barrels than I have. I would buy again based on my experience.

Based on information I have read on this, and other forums dealing with AR’s, I ordered a Sabre 16in Mid Length upper with flip front and rear sights this morning. It will be going on one of my Double Star lowers, with a DPMS LPK. Other parts coming are:

Magpul Commercial CTR and tube.
Magpul MIAD with N battery core.

I sent an email to Jay at DD and asked about a Mid Length Omega rail, he replied that one is in the preparation stages for manufacture. I’ll just use the regular handguard until that becomes available.

I think this will turn out to be a fine rifle. :smiley:

There is another member here that I shoot with who had another failure to eject on his Giffman (sorry Giff) barrel AFTER it had been reamed with Ned’s reamer. His first problem with this barrel was at Pat Roger’s class last year, and now he’s still having issues even after reaming. In fact, I believe he broke his Vltor stock trying to mortar the stuck case out of the thing.

CMMG, like C-Products, is one of those companies that I really want to love, that I think has a whole ton of potential, but that seems to have too many ups and downs for me to want to deal with. Consistency is key in my book, and consistently good is even better.:smiley:

Since you dishing out all the $ buy the CTR with the included RE and make the rest of the weapon happy. If you havent already purchased the DPMS LPK there are better options.

I know there are better options for LPK’s, I just haven’t been able to find them. Any suggestions would be appreciated. :wink:

Grant(G&R Tactical) has CMT LPKs and said he was working on an LMT one in another thread.

We have roughly come up with a LMT LPK (less trigger, hammer, pins). Cost is somewhere around $45 we think.

C4

I did get the RE. It’s just the commercial version. I’ve purchased from Grant before, so I’ll give a call.

Magpul dosent sell a commercial RE. If its from Magpul its a milspec RE. If they were seperate purchases return it and get the milspec version.

Your talking about the receiver extension, correct? Occasionally, the acyronyms get away from me. :confused:

I just bought some midlength barrels from CMMG because they are the only ones making Lightweight (normal) barrels…I hope they are good!

Out of the two witch one, or dose both make thier own barrel? Are is there a chance that both are made at the same place just turned down to diff profiles by some one else? And engraved with the comp logo.

Out of the two witch one, or dose both make thier own barrel? Are is there a chance that both are made at the same place just turned down to diff profiles by some one else? And engraved with the comp logo.

Yes reciever extension.

Package deal, Commercial RE and CTR. I’m reasonably sure my Doublestar lower is not mil spec.:slight_smile:

You are aware that the commercial RE is weaker than the milspec RE?