Does anyone have one, or have any experience with them?
I’d be happy to try to help you with your questions, since I’m the MGI rep.
I don’t know why no replies have come to this thread, but if you look at our big thread on “the other site”, there are plenty of user comments on it.
If you’d like, you can contact me.
I’m very frank and forthcoming with information, and I have no reason or need to overstate the product.
I can tell you what it can do, and what it can’t do, and the strong points and the weak points.
The most interesting versions of this thing is the 7.62 version.
From calling them and asking how it all worked you can get the lower and 5.56 mag well (you can not opt to get another mag well you have to buy the 5.56 with it) for if I remeber correctly over 500. then you are goin to pay 250 for the 7.62 lower then I’m not sure on the price of the bolt and barrel or extention so you close to a grand before even being close to having a complete rifle.
Kinda bummed me out.
I wish you could just get it with the mag well you wanted instead of paying for one you dont need.
Yes that’s true.
We sell the basic receiver with the AR magwell as an AR15 lower receiver system for $500.
If you really want to have the AK magwell only, with the initial purchase of the lower receiver, we can make exceptions. However, it is not at a “same price” substitution, and it would cost substantially more than $500 to get the lower with only the AK magwell as the basic lower receiver.
With production, pricing is dependent on economies of scale coming from volume in production. We have the production line set up for making basic receiver sets with AR magwells. Thus, we can offer the AR set at lower cost, than by selecting other magwells in the basic set.
The accessory magwells are run in much lower production numbers, and they cost more.
At some point in the future, we may be running enough accessory magwells in production, to make it easy to select any magwell with the lower at the same price. However, we are not at that point yet.
This discussion does arise fairly commonly, and the general reasoning is that people already have an AR in 5.56 so they “don’t need” the AR magwell.
This reflects the perception that our MGI platform would be more-or-less serving as the “dedicated” 7.62x39 rifle in their collection, and being a “dedicated one-caliber platform” is not where the strength of our product line lies.
Our product line is designed to be multi-caliber, and the best way to use it cost effectively is to sell the other 5.56 rifle, and use those funds to switch over to the MGI platform, which will serve the 5.56 needs, as well as the expandable caliber needs.
It is not cost effective to consider our platform to be a one-caliber platform, because you’d be paying too much for features which you aren’t planning to use, for that to be a reasonable prospect. The only way to make our system cost effective is to use the convertibility in several calibers to take over the roles of other dedicated platforms. Then it can be cost effective when compared against multiple dedicated rifles.
I’ll be the first to admit that our system cannot compete in price against an entry-level-priced dedicated AR15 platform in a single-caliber role. There are much cheaper ways to get a single-caliber rifle in any one caliber of choice. It really takes about 3 calibers in our system to start to “break even” in terms of cost effectiveness against single-caliber rifles. Such as the AR magwell that comes with the lower, the AK magwell, and one of the upcoming pistol caliber conversions which will be released shortly.
For the MGI system to provide what is intended, the features that you pay for must be utilized, or the system appears to not be cost effective. However, regardless of whatever calibers might be used in the platform, it is still a premium-grade weapon system that can stand on its own against any other premium-grade AR out there, and even some dedicated one-caliber AR15’s out there are more expensive than our convertible platform is.
So, it all comes down to the user and his requirements. If premium-grade construction and quality is the issue, MGI is right there with any other $2k custom AR, and even better than many of them. If multi-caliber is a requirement, we have no peer in that area, and that puts us ahead of any other contender. If competing solely on price vs a Bushy or other sub-$1k single-caliber rifle is the issue, we cannot compete in that arena, because that is not what our product line was designed to do.
Hope that helps.
what upper does the 7.62 version use? magazine?
All calibers in the MGI Modular System use the same upper, which is the MGI QCB(Quick-Change-Barrel) upper receiver.
This receiver is specifically relief-cut internally to receive the wide-body magazines(such as AK mags) which are used in our MGI Modular Lower magwells.
The 7.62x39 version uses off-the-shelf AK47 magazines. There may be some AK mags which are known to be a little bit wide, such as the Bulgy waffle mags, which might need a little sanding on the sides of the mag to fit in, but this is also the case when using those mags in many AK47 rifles out there too. It also accepts the Chinese drum mags.
If you were referring to the 7.62 NATO version, that particular caliber conversion system is not currently available at this time.
We have a prototype of it running with modified M14 magazines, but it is not ready for release yet. This conversion kit also uses the MGI QCB upper receiver, so no change in upper receiver is required with any of the current, or upcoming, caliber conversions.
Here’s a pic of the working prototype, shown with our old-style MGI QCB upper on it. Don’t get too excited yet, it will be awhile before we finally release this.
THATS THE ONE with the M14 mag in it:)
You do have an interesting concept and you are right no one can touch you there but for me the real draw is the 7.62x51 version
Thanks!
Please understand that this is a very difficult project, and many people thought it to be impossible.
Just getting the magazine to fit in there was a major miracle, and that was just the beginning.
We have encountered difficulties all thru this project, and we’re not done yet.
But, it does work and the concept is proven in prototype.
We will not release the conversion kit until we have developed data on longevity of parts and feel comfortable about the long-term reliability of the system.
Development is still ongoing.
While we have historically often discussed what we have in development, and have many very innovative things “on the burner” that I haven’t even discussed here, I’d like to return the focus to our existing platform.
We currently are producing, and have available right now, the most advanced and versatile individual weapon platform on the face of the planet today.
There is NO other rifle that is currently made by anyone, which can do as much as what our MGI Modular System can do, as of this date, with the things currently released. Just look around and compare. Find something that is fully caliber convertible in a variety of ways, can use off-the-shelf mags from other guns which were designed for feeding those calibers correctly, uses normal unmodified AR15 barrels for 15-second “no tools” quick-change barrels in rifle calibers, rimfire calibers and pistol calibers, is virtually totally compatible with all the common AR15 parts and accessories, has the familiar and desireable layout and ergos of the AR15, is constructed with aerospace machining quality and techniques on billet(or forged) 7075-T6 with Type III Hard anodizing, “quasi-monolithic” upper receiver construction, has freefloat 4-picatinny-rail billet modular extendable handguard to work with varying barrel lengths, will accept an M203 grenade launcher, can host RDIAS for Class 3 use, barrels return-to-zero sub-MOA, same “sight plane over barrel” as an AR15, can be easily configured in shorty, carbine, and rifle lengths, all major parts groups user-disassemblable in the field without requiring armorer support, and is available and can be ordered today.
And it’s easy for me to state things like this, because we’ve utilized the time-tested and proven AR15 functional architecture, which is still the highest-performance automatic rifle system to date, as our foundation. We don’t have some “new” unproven operating system to try to justify with our words. We have the top dog(AR15/M16/M4) as the proven basis for our features to be imparted upon.
We’ve moved it into the next generation with modularity that is quick and easy to use, and doesn’t mess up the workings of the AR operating system.
And as you can see above, we are certainly not standing still now.
What is yet to come will rock you, more than what you’ve seen already.
And it’s alot more than just caliber conversions, even though the caliber conversions are a very nice part of it.
Even as advanced as it seems right now, we’re actually only just “getting out of the starting blocks” with this MGI modular concept.
There’s a whole lot more coming down the pike.
And, for you guys who just “have to have” an overhead piston operating system, we have a few designs on the drawing board, which will be implementable(optional) on our system, and you’ll be able to have your piston.