Medical marijuana and the 2nd Amendment. Disabled Vet denied gun. IMPORTANT UPDATE!

From the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/Marijuana4.html

Is marijuana use addictive?


Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they use the drug compulsively even though it often interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. According to the 2003 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), an estimated 21.6 million Americans aged 12 or older were classified with substance dependence or abuse (9.1 percent of the total population). Of the estimated 6.9 million Americans classified with dependence on or abuse of illicit drugs, 4.2 million were dependent on or abused marijuana.57 In 2002, 15 percent of people entering drug abuse treatment programs reported that marijuana was their primary drug of abuse.58

Along with craving, withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug.49 People trying to quit report irritability, difficulty sleeping, and anxiety.59,60 They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they last used the drug.61

In addition to its addictive liability, research indicates that early exposure to marijuana can increase the likelihood of a lifetime of subsequent drug problems. A recent study of over 300 fraternal and identical twin pairs, who differed on whether or not they used marijuana before the age of 17, found that those who had used marijuana early had elevated rates of other drug use and drug problems later on, compared with their twins, who did not use marijuana before age 17. This study re-emphasizes the importance of primary prevention by showing that early drug initiation is associated with increased risk of later drug problems, and it provides more evidence for why preventing marijuana experimentation during adolescence could have an impact on preventing addiction.62

You can’t trust the government to provide any sort of unbiased evaluation of a narcotic.

looks like to me cigarettes and alcohol are worse, they do the same thing

Yet you’re not prevented from purchasing a firearm for using either substance and I’m pretty sure no Dr. in recent history would recommend smoking cigarettes for health reasons.

+1 and MJ isn’t physically addictive anyway.:rolleyes:

all id like to add is that MJ has never “in recorded history” killed anyone. EVER

This from the second highest DUI county in the nation, booze kills more, and does more harm to families, than all illegal drugs combined,yet the liquor lobby has all of the state govts.in their pockets. Federal too I suspect.

I’m sorry but I don’t buy that marijuana isn’t addictive, maybe to some it isn’t but neither is alcohol but certain people most defiantly become physically addicted to marijuana. Is their a great risk, probably not. But why does it even matter if it’s addictive or not? Coffee is addictive, what does that matter as far as legality?

Not in mine either. That sucks.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/oregon_gun_ruling_a_victory_fo.html

Oregon’s 32,929 medical marijuana users can’t be denied concealed handgun licenses, despite the efforts of at least two sheriffs who want to keep concealed weapons out of those hands.

The Oregon Court of Appeals ruled this week that Washington County Sheriff Rob Gordon and Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters were mistaken in their interpretation of the federal Gun Control Act. The act states that “an unlawful user … of any controlled substance” can’t own a gun, and the sheriffs contended the federal act trumps Oregon’s medical marijuana law. Though federal law prohibits marijuana, Oregon’s 12-year-old law legalizes pot possession for patients with qualifying ailments and a doctor’s approval.

Share Leland Berger, who represented four medical marijuana users who were denied concealed handgun licenses, was relieved by the Court of Appeals decision. He sees the sheriffs’ denial of licenses as discrimination against patients who use cannabis to treat debilitating health problems – including cancer, glaucoma, seizures, nausea and severe pain.

“They are opposed to the law generally, and this is how they express their opposition to the law,” Berger said, adding that fighting the cases was expensive for the counties. “The downside is it’s a huge waste of taxpayer resources.”

Elmer Dickens, who argued the case for the Washington County sheriff, took offense at Berger’s characterization.

“We absolutely don’t think this has anything to do with discrimination,” Dickens said. “And frankly, he’s impugning the integrity of every sheriff in the state.”

Dickens said Washington County was the first in the state to ask applicants seeking concealed gun licenses whether they use medical marijuana and to deny those who said yes. He said sheriffs in many other counties – including Coos and Douglas – followed, seeing Washington County’s logic: that sheriffs are sworn to enforce the law and federal law forbids pot smokers from possessing guns.

Multnomah County asks applicants the same question, but a sheriff’s employee who handles applications said medical marijuana users aren’t denied licenses. Clackamas County doesn’t ask. State law doesn’t direct counties to do so.

Washington County hasn’t decided whether to appeal to the Oregon Supreme Court. Sheriff Gordon is on vacation and couldn’t be reached for comment. Douglas County Sheriff Winters also couldn’t be reached for comment.

At the center of the case is Steve Schwerdt, who used marijuana and other medications for debilitating back and knee pain that is so bad he sometimes can’t walk. Washington County denied him a concealed handgun renewal, he fought it, and in 2005 Circuit Judge Marco Hernandez ruled in his favor – a county attorney says because he couldn’t prove Schwerdt actually owned a gun. Washington County later pulled Schwerdt’s license, Schwerdt went to court again, and Circuit Judge Steven Price ruled in favor of Schwerdt and two other cannabis cardholders.

The county turned to the Court of Appeals.

“I’m getting tired of having to go through this over and over again,” Schwerdt said.

Schwerdt said he feels as if the sheriff has put him in the same category as heroin addicts.

“The first time around I sat there and felt like I was a junkie,” Schwerdt said. “They treat you like you’re something that you’re not – a criminal and the sort. And I’m not.”

Although medical marijuana users who practice the Second Amendment celebrated the appellate ruling, their legal standing remains unclear.

In April, the Oregon Supreme Court ruled that medical marijuana users can be fired for drug use. Specifically, in overturning a Court of Appeals ruling, the high court said federal law requiring employers to accommodate disabled workers doesn’t cover medical marijuana users.

Adding to the murkiness, the Obama administration last year told federal authorities not to arrest or prosecute medical marijuana users. A tally at the time showed 14 states, including Washington and California, allowed some medical marijuana use.

The Oregon Firearms Federation has no problem with medical marijuana cardholders carrying concealed weapons – or for that matter, any law-abiding citizen, said federation director Kevin Starrett.

the amount of misinformation from the government on marijuana is astounding. any information obtained from official government sources is likely misleading if not outright false. they do have an agenda to continue to justify the war on drugs.

Umm yeah it has. It’s just that the numbers are insignificant when you take into account the number of users. LSD and ecstasy are safer than marijuana. Now mix the other two drugs with alcohol or something else and they become very dangerous, also many drugs are sold as the two above but are bad shit and can kill you.

The medical marijuana issue is so incredibly simple to me that I’m amazed otherwise rational people have trouble coming to the correct conclusion.

In health care debates I often cite my Canadian neighbor’s story and how when diagnosed with colon cancer while visiting family in Canada was told that it would be at least six weeks before he could begin treatment. When he mentioned he had insurance in the US the Doctors there asked him what he was waiting for, so he came to MD Anderson in Houston the next day and began treatment the day after that.

Anyone who has dealt with cancer probably knows MD Anderson is one of the best if not the best places in the world. When he was having trouble with the pain and having trouble eating, literally all of his doctors explained that it was a dirty shame he was not able to legally consume pot in the state of TX.

Is it a mind-altering drug? Sure, but a relatively harmless one. But hell, I’m of the opinion that an individual should have the right to inject heroine as long as I’m not expected to pay for the consequences.

Name one.

I can’t find it, but I recall a few years ago at least 2 people in this country died from what was described as an overdose. Not every person has the same chemistry and react differently to things. I’ve seen people get really pissed when they’re high, I mean ragging asshole pissed. While most just sleep.

Also some people have allergic reactions and die as well, not to leave out people who kill people while under the influence (car crashes, work accidents etc)

Again the numbers for death by marijuana aren’t significant, but just pointing out it does kill people.

no, it hasn’t. not ONE proven case.

no, they are not. ecstasy, for example, has proven to cause brain damage with excessive use. the same cannot be said for marijuana.

Marijuana doesn’t cause cancers? Shocking. I guess all that “resin” that makes its way into the lungs is healthy for you.

Most E sold on the streets isn’t pharmaceutical grade MDMA, a number of chemicals induce the same shit. MDMA is safe when given in proper amounts and monitored by a trained physician. They’re using it to treat PTSD as a matter of fact.

EDIT:
What you’re thinking of probably as E, is PMA/PMMA it’s one of the many that’s sold as MDMA but has killed a number of people, and can cause body temperatures to sky rocket.

For the record, I’m against the war on drugs, and all for people having freedom in their homes to do what they wish, just as long as they don’t infringe on the rights of others by doing so.

not when eaten, smoked with a vaporizer or water bong.

again, there has been ZERO cases of overdose. its impossible, they’ve tried.

sure, so is pretty much anything. but thats not really what we’re talking about here is it?

Find me one case of a death from MDMA with out any other drugs involved.

As far as marijuana deaths, http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/medicine-health/articles/marijuana-said-trigger-heart-attacks :stuck_out_tongue: Old hippies beware. :smiley:

When I find the doc that had the deaths I’ll post it.

will you shut the fuck up, please? i seriously doubt there’s anyone in this entire thread that’s simply opposed to marijuana in general. being the types that we are- oppressed members of society, i think we all related to, and despise, oppression/restriction of any freedom.

but you have to be realistic, and stop trying to make marijuana out to be mana from God.

FACTS:

marijuana DOES kill people, through accidents or stomach/lung/throat/mouth cancer.
marijuana IS habit-forming, and millions of Americans are dependent on it for normal functioning
marijuana DOES “make you stupid”- THC builds up in the form of plaque in the synapse of neurons, inhibiting neurotransmission- if neurons aren’t fired, the brain kills them off as energy leaches. marijuana causes brain damage.

denying any of this is just going to bog you down in retarded, pointless, never ending debate. just accept that marijuana, though almost harmless when you put it up next to other drugs, DOES still do some harm all on it’s on. then debate the points that actually build a case for you, like the fact that a man has a damn God-given right to conduct himself in any matter he sees fit, so long as his actions are peaceful within the borders of our beloved nation.

Dont smoke pot. Problem solved

I grew up in a shitty neighborhood where pot use was common. Nothing good comes from it. Pot users get dumber after every use

All pot growers and sellers should be rounded up and thrown in prison on any and all federal drug violations as possible.