So i visited my local Sportsmans earlier today and i asked what’s new and the counter guys said they just received some of the Ilion NY Bushmasters (ARA sn# prefix) and i opened the couple up and to my amazement the gas key was properly staked and they had the black extractor inserts installed. Maybe after years they are finally listening to the shooting masses and are trying to improve their product.
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They are going to need to do ALOT more than that. If someone gets their hands on one or has any information about their updated specs, please post it.
As a side note, I am stil waiting for a response from Windham Weaponry…
What are you talking about?! Bushmaster has always been listening to the shooting masses … just the misinformed masses. But seriously, that would be cool if they produced a top-notch product. Was the bolt MPI’d/HPT’d?
An extractor spring or gas key staking does not a milspec rifle make.
Barrel steel, 5.56 chamber, HP/MPI testing, twist rate, FA Bolt carriers are all equally important.
Considering the fact that a new Colt 6920 costs within $100 of what a similar Bushy goes for they’d better be making a LOT more changes/upgrades than that.
My M-4 Bushy has keep’d up with all other big name brand M-4s and ARs in class no ftf no fte and it eats what ever I feed it and I bought it in 2004 after the sunset .All I did was stacked the gas key’s and added a BCM extr. O-ring kit and I do not know how many rounds I have in it now and I will stacke my life on it when I need it :neo: :dance3: :jester:
If Bushmaster is making good on a poor product, then good for them. A day late and a dollar short, the informed consumer will decide.
I just hope you don’t have to stake your life on your spell check
Very solid point.
Not that it’s a defense of lesser outfits, but I imagine it costs Colt a hell of a lot less to make a rifle than it does a lot of people. You wouldn’t think bushmaster would be one of them long as they have been doing it one way or another, but still. Good to be king I guess.
This thread is begging for a lock
I personally enjoy seeing a company trying to better themselves and trying to improve the product. I also noticed that the three NY bushy’s all had MP stamped on the barrel. Also according to bushmaster’s catalog they are all hammer forged from the highest grade of 4150 steel. So i think it’s a a start. I’m not saying they are now a top tier by any means but they might move up a couple spots form where they were.
I did not see it stamped on the bolt anywhere so i cannot say one way or another. But the barrels were stamped MP.
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When have been through this before when you tried to blow smoke up our ass by claiming that BM made M4’s for the military. In addition to that per your own post many months ago- I have had it for 4yrs and have put a lot of rounds though it with no trouble like 1,000 rds
1000 rounds in 4 years is nothing. Myself and many others shoot that in one month. Some even more in carbine course.
You are extolling the virtues of “one BM” and we are talking about the thousands of them that have been in circulation. So please keep the sillyness out of this and stay with the facts.
THEY DO! For the Georgian Army !
Has anyone ever figured out the cost difference of a non-spec vs spec rifle? It can’t be too much if a Colt and Bushy are that close in price.
Class? What class was this?
And, I guess this needs to be repeated. For something to be statistically significant, you need to have an adequate sample size. The problem with personal anecdotes is that frequently, one is dealing with a sample size of exactly one.
No one here (at least most) are saying that 100% of Bushmasters are going to fall apart after a few rounds. What the detractors with an actual basis for their position are factoring in are trends and numerous examples encountered in stores, classes, ranges, LE departments, etc.
This is a weather vs. climate issue.
From my experience, and that of my wife who’s taken college courses on statistics, it’s mostly BS anyways. Regardless of the subject matter it’s too easy for the testers to effect the outcome of their stats. Too easy to make it say whatever you want it to say. That’s why I never believe any stats regarding anything ever. LOL kinda cynical I know.
Half the time I think nobody even does true statistical sampling anymore, I feel that half the news reports just google their results and copy and paste them for the masses.
I don’t care anymore who buys what really. It’s all what ya like, and I prefer my Colt.
There’s lairs, damn liars (politicians) ,and statisticians.
Note, also, that in that quote, Mr. Grebner is saying 4 years, and in the above, he’s saying since 2004.
Being bad with numbers just sorta happens with some folks. Peachy, no real drama.
Making stuff up, however, is a decision not unlike the decision to have a child; the results are that you have to take care of it if you want it to continue to survive. If one can’t even remember their own BS, they should either get better about keeping track of their previously-uttered BS for the sake of continuity…or just stop.
Is “Windham” what the former, original owner of Bushmaster is calling the new company he’s trying to start up in the original factory in Maine?