I nailed my first Wyoming coyote with a 357 Sig JHP at 10 yards, dropped like a rock , no exit. Same thing with a 10mm, DRT.
Deads dead.
Logistics is my big deal now, 9mm and 45 are my only hand gun rounds I shoot or stock up on.
I wonder if Mas thinks a 50 will tear your arm off if it passes close:lol:
Just an observation;
I have used that “shock effect” to kill small animals that were in the water.
I have done so a number of times when shooting at cotton mouths, and with a wide variety of guns including my daily carry 9mms.
Many years ago I noted that when you hit just under a large frog with a .22lr HP that you can flip them out of the water, not blow up the frog, and they were stone dead. This didn’t happen when RN ammo was used.
Kind of like how folks used to “bark” squirrels in the old days.
That’s all I got, carry on.
He has. You know why? Hoping to stay relevant. His team of misfits, Marshall & Sanow, have had their credibility virtually destroyed. Instead of admit he was wrong and that the Fackler/IWBA/Roberts (aka “Jello Junkies”) were/are right, he’s grasping at straws. Courtney is that straw.
Who is this Courtney dude?
Don’t know for sure, but could it be this person (Courtney) they’re referencing here?
Dr Michael Courtney aka Pasteur on various forums.
I’d like to see a .357 sig style cartridge made out of a .500 S&W cut/necked down to a .45 projectile.
That should be his sig line!
I’m really surprised that ANYONE listens to anything that comes out of Ayoobs mouth anymore. I’m not sure he was relevant in 1975 let alone in 2011. I honestly believe that he tries to scare citizens away from carrying a firearm with all of his drivel…
Oh, and he can’t shoot for shit either.
Just to give the .357sig a fair shake…I will say that I’ve found that I shoot the round much better than I do the .40S&W. It seems to have a good inherent accuracy(much like the .45acp), and the recoil impulse is sharp, but the cycle is brief and I get back on target faster. So, from that point of view I might be better served using the .357sig than the .40 on duty because after all…the ablity to shoot the pistol well is more important than the caliber.
like many others i have researched countless hours of my life away trying to find the “most effective” handgun caliber for my self. in the end i have found that it boils down to this…hand guns poke holes of slightly different sizes and with a good modern bullet designs (golddot, hst, ranger-t, ext…) they will all perform all most identically in unobstructed shots. with that said i keep my 9mm’s loaded with hst 147gr +p. i like .45’s too. i am interested in 357 sig and .40 too, but not because i think they will offer anything over 9mm and .45. i simply like to try new things. if there is anything im missing here please let me know.
Same here, As much as I tried, I could never find the magic that made a projectile of .40+ a success or the projectile of .40 - a failure. It’s sad to say but many who accept such simplistic claims have been wasting their time studying Bullistics.
I too like 9x19mm and 45 ACP. I like to think big, heavy and slow may have an advantage over the lighter rounds. In the end, I use handgun cartridges tuned for use against humans and it seems they all act in a similar fashion when they hit flesh.
I’ll compare the 357 SIG and 357 Magnum loads with the Speer Gold Dot 125 grain JHP in Speer’s #13 reloading manual.
I vaguely remember that 357 SIG could hit 1400 FPS with the maximum load. I think the key is to see what the overlap between the two calibers is.
Now…9x23mm can get you some serious velocity. 125 grain Winchester Silvertips were chronographed between 1440 to 1490 FPS!
I know of One dept that has had great luck in actual shootings of humans with there 357 sig in mp platform, they made a switch from 40sw to it and have had great success we know all know this caliber that caliber im just adding in what i know from reports they have told me and the like
Still there is no magic wand with pixie dust rounds:D
Well, that explains it.
Can’t say I am surprised at Courtney’s “reemergence” in other sources either. Three, maybe four months ago, I saw his “writings” touted as an “authoritative source” of information in an article on “stopping power” (or some such nonsense) in one of the bigger gun rags I found at the grocery newsstand.
S’pose that as long as there are people who will pay for “snake oil” there’ll be someone there to provide it.
M&S? :haha: Don’t get me started on those hucksters. 
If I remember correctly, some European shooters pushed for its development simply because they can not own a fire arm in chambered for a “military caliber”. It’s popular in IPSC events in the countries that restrict to the BS no military calibers thing.
I don’t think anyone doesn’t believe that the .357 Sig won’t do the job(like the 9mm, .40 and .45), it’s the fringe lunatics looking for “lightning bolt effect” and buying into all that crap, that irritates me.
They all offer something that may have a marginal advantage over another, but none do so without a drawback in some fashion as well.
I used to feel the .40 was a fix for something that wasn’t broken. I now think it is a good bridge between the 9mm(capacity and penetration) and .45 ACP(lack of capacity, less deflection through glass than the 9mm and suffered in penetrating harder objects like car doors compared to smaller, higher velocity 9mm). With the .40 you deal with a higher cost than 9mm, damn near .45 ammo costs, and an increase in recoil.
Those are just my observations after going over tests and evaluations I have access to. I have all of the big 3 calibers in my collection, but I carry a 9mm and really have no plan to change to running a .40 for carry, unless I move from Glock 9mm to M&P .40’s.
He was a guest at our state LE Instructors Seminar some years ago. We had a 3-gun competition between instructors and he borrowed an AR for the rifle portion. He had an AD at the 50 yd line, and he blamed it on his unfamiliarity with that particular AR rifle.
Just about everyone jumped his shit for that line, and he was asked to leave the competition for the AD, but he became obstinate about it.
my oh my
357 Sig: If I did not have to pay for it sure I’d roll with it, but I do so I don’t. Would it be my first choice if $$$ were not a factor? No.
Mas Aboob…don’t put much stock in mainstream rag writers.
I love reading these 357SIG threads to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth. I carry a SIG P229 in 357SIG and have owned it since '94 but I’ve long since given up on the idea that it’s some kind of lightsaber. my affection for the cartridge is mostly sentimental now but I’m under no delusions that it is vastly superior to any other cartridge in this gun.
I will say though, that after trying to compete in IDPA with it, that I bought a .40 barrel for ease of reloading. the 40 was less troublesome to reload but the 357SIG was much more accurate with less recoil in that gun.
I still have a couple thousand .40 cases and bullets and will probably load them up and shoot them for practice when I get around to it but the .40 holds no interest for me as a carry round…