Still touting the .357sig I see :rolleyes:
http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/GUNS/GUNS1211/?page=26
I will be the first person to call all manner of bullshit on the snake story. Its laughable that he would print that and sign his name to it. I’m seriously sitting here laughing. My ass literally may fall off!
“When one of the other rounds barely missed the snakes head, the venomous serpents just wiggled away. Yet when a .357sig missed close to the moccasin’s head in the water, the snake shuddered an died.”
.357 SIG is one of those calibers that I wish would unexist. Not because of what it is but what it represents to so many. Not much better than 9mm but its proponents think it is .45 ACP and then some. You have no idea how many times i’ve heard people drool over 357 SIG and badmouth 9mm in the same breath.
I carried a DA/SA P229 .357 SIG for four years. Never have I been so underwhelmed by a handgun’s performance.
Fail-Safe,
Sounds like Ayoob has been reading Courtney.
Perhaps they could collaborate on a paper dealing with distant BPW effects in serpents…call it “Snakes in a bucket: BPW in pit vipers.”
:sarcastic:
Speaking of Courtney…I haven’t seen him around in a long time. I still laugh when I think about his story of stuffing a small deer in a water barrel and shooting into it to try and rendure the deer unconcious through his magical ballistic pressure wave.
Anyone wanna post up some factual data regarding the .357 Sig’s terminal performance compared to 9mm or .40 or even .45?
I’ve got no dog in this fight. I stick to 9mm and .45, but I have a friend with .357 Sig who thinks its a .44 mag and then some.
I’m seeing a 250 FPS increase over the standard 115gr round.
Yeah, his material is pretty comical as are his “followers”. Can’t help but think of him as probable reincarnation of one of the Three Stooges; my money is on Curley. 
Haven’t seen much of him either. Good times.
Well, there is this classic:
Not “data” per se, but telling. I recall the .357 has some improved performance with intermediate barriers (making it the choice for some PDs who are likely to shoot into cars, such as State Troopers) over the 9mm, but I don’t recall how it does compared to other calibers on that score.
Never considered the .357 Sigs cons to outweigh its pros, and or, other calibers do it better for less $$$ on well vetted platforms. That’s my understanding anyway.
Was never impressed with the .357 Sig chambered guns I fired and wanted one even less after firing, but that’s me.
It’s a helluva fun round to shoot on the range, and it penetrates hard barriers better, but to say it is head and shoulders above a good 9mm is ignorance. It’s just another choice. One I think is a lot more fun than other choices for a range gun if you don’t mind feeding it.
I am a recovering energy/velocity addict and the 357sig feeds that addiction perferctly. Even reputable manufacturer’s continue on the velocity bandwagon. From Corbon’s website…
"Faster (Expansion is key, but Velocity is KING!)
High Velocity –The answer to reliable bullet expansion. High velocity is obtained by optimum choices in gun powder selection. The greater the velocity, the more violently the bullet will expand. This causes enhanced shock to the nervous system and increases the chance of incapacitation. High-powered rifles are known to have the highest velocity. That is why a rifle’s stopping power is
much more efficient than a handgun. When choosing a handgun for self-defense a person should choose ammunition that can supply the highest amount of velocity, safely. Bullet expansion in conjunction with high velocity is what creates a larger than
caliber wound channel. It also facilitates transfer of energy and increases tissue damage. Bullets must expand every time for optimal performance. Hollowpoints that do not expand will stop fights with one shot, but only 60-70% of the time. Hollowpoints that expand will come in at 75-90%. Hollowpoints that expand
violently are 85-95% effective."
There was a time when Ayoob’s advices seemed to make sense (I did not know any better).
Nowadays, he shamelessly pimps himself to the gun rag crowds and the gun manufacturers. It is one thing to be a good businessman, but another to propagate that crap.
His 357 SIG comment would have made me smile, now I just want to :bad:
The only thing to rival the stopping power of the 357Sig is the knock down power of the 45ACP. I guess if you hit an assailant in the pinky toe with the 357Sig he will die on the spot from the temporary wound cavity just like if you were to hit someone in the pinky finger with a 45 they would be body slammed to the ground with Chuck Norris like force.
Anyone who chooses to shoot a handgun round because of its awesome power to convert a near miss into a body slam is an outright idiot. I am an died in the wool accuracy fan and firmly believe that accuracy will always beat power. Choose a good round that you can get on target fast and stay on target with and you’ll be better served than picking something that you can only hit marginally with. If that’s 357Sig or 9mm or 45 or 44mag… so be it. Hell I’d much rather have someone miss me with a 50BMG a thousand times than hit me once with a 22LR.
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From what i’ve read about ballistic gel shots and pistol rounds is they aren’t as significant as just looking at a picture of the temporary cavity. The temporary cavity isn’t formed at such a velocity to cause permanant damage, as would be with a rifle round.
None of those gel shots are really that different from any one of the others.
None of those gel shots are really that different from any one of the others.
Which I would attribute to the inroads made in the last decade in handgun ammo development; now a 9mm can give you very similar wounding performance to what was previously considered “more powerful” handgun ammunition. The differences are still there where performance through intermediate barriers are concerned but in the vast majority of other instances 9mm can get the same job done, just as effectively.
That’s the point… 
THE .357 SIG IN PERSPECTIVE…Rising in popularity, this round has proven itself for more than 17 years.
Numbers from gun and ammo manufacturers indicate otherwise.
I worked for a Fed agency that issued .357 Sig Glocks. We dumped them about 4 months later and went back to .40’s. Ayoob is a dumbass and always has been a self-aggrandizing , arrogent, poserish moron. Not that I don’t like him or anything.
Yep! And that is why a handgun is secondary weapon.
In fact, I large knife will produce similar or better terminal effects although with a shorter range.
Massad…
The fossil-poster boy of “say one thing when you’re paid to, another when you’re not”…doesn’t he write a lot for those same gun-rags that have yet to produce one piece of objective editorial review material - ever…?
:eek:
(I may end up having to write an editorial retraction on that one…:sarcastic:)