O yea and this gem from the other day :lol: :sarcastic:
Guy attempts to smuggle a condom full of heroin up his ass! (El paso)
http://m.permianbasin360.com/display/12010/story/20878c06480d569845cc7f011089812c
I know someone who is friends with a few BP agents and they complain about that all the time. People get released… they keep picking up the same people over and over and over…
Here’s my take: I fundamentally agree with the “rights” people. I have the right to call a cop a “pig”.
I also understand reality. If I speed all the time and get pulled over weekly and call every cop a “pig” - eventually I’m going get my ass beat.
Dont put yourself in a situation to be a victim - we need to keep changing things through the proper channels. The “rights” problems are not caused by the officers, so being a dick to them accomplishes nothing other than giving them and yourself a bad day. I almost don’t like telling people I’m “libertarian” because they might picture vids like this of people doing things someone that is stupid would do.
People also have to understand that a lot of cops don’t agree with every law. Overall, the job is doing a good thing. A lot of them deal with trash every day and acting like the bad guys will not help your cause.
Our Border Patrol needs to be on the border stopping people from entering this country illegally, and not running narc checkpoints 75 miles from the border. It is ridiculous, and their checkpoints are BS. The vast majority of their checkpoints are circumvented by the drug and human smugglers they claim to be attempting to apprehend. They need to be stopping that shit at the border. /thread
-
Supreme Court has ruled these worthless checkpoints are legal within 100 miles of the border.
-
Supreme Court also allowed discrimination against blacks and ruled they could not be citizens.
-
You are only required to answer your citizenship. Nothing more or less.
-
I have refused to answer addt’l questions as as well a request to search my vehicle. No arrest or getting ripped from my car.
-
If you are going to play the game, you need to know the rules and how to play.
Did a k9 hit on your car though?
So what if you are polite?
What is your citizenship and where are you going?
I am a US citizen on my way to Sea World in San Antonio.
Where are you coming from?
El Paso.
Please pull over.
No thank you, I would like to go on my way.
Pull over now we are going to search you car.
I do not consent to a warrantless search.
Our dog just alerted on your car.
I still do not consent to a warrantless search, I will pull over and wait for your warrant.
Then say I get the same treatment as Skeletor in the video did.
The SC has ruled the stops are constitutional.
I may have a different opinion but can’t deny that.
I also cannot deny being a dick for the sake of being a dick makes no sense. Whether you are the driver or the LEO.
When we are giving amnesty to illegals and can’t even get started on deporting illegals with other felonies,
what is the point of the stops?
With all the legalization of marijuana, etc. what is the point of busting some dipshit with a dime bag?
Alerting dogs and “I smelt some marijuana” are so abused and FOS and inaccurate I have hopes both will be quashed one day. Sure, they are true sometimes but many other times so without honesty, accuracy, and/or integrity.
I see how they are PC for a warrant.
How is it they are PC for a warrantless search?
If you do a warrantless search for marijuana based on smell or dog alert,
and find no drugs but do find two dead hookers in my trunk-
do they get to enter that into evidence?
I usually check my trunk before driving within one hundred miles of the border, but just in case want to know.
There was a time when a movie like Airplane showed little old ladies getting searched while dangerous looking Muslims went through airport security and it was a joke. That was pretty funny.
Now agencies go out of their way to not hassle people that fit a terrorist or illegal alien drug dealer profile, while hassling other people, and it is not very funny to me.
IIRC, the SC decision on DUI, random search stops/checkpoints, etc. was not that they were constitutional. It was that they were not, but that it was still legal to do so because in what in the greater common good/safety of the public, so we will give it a pass and say it is.
(Legal minds please correct me regarding the nuances)
Hopefully it was a joke, but if not, Sensei’s comment about not having a right to use the roads is right up there with AlaskaPoPo’s “there is no right to privacy in the Constitution.” We are supposed to be free in our travels without the need to show papers, need for travel, etc. and to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.
The news reports of cash seizures, uniformed cops pulling people over into commercial events that are not LE related, etc. are pretty shady.
I thought the BP was polite to the wife and kid, used minimal force needed to get the guy out and the car pulled over. Basically, he was professional about it. I just think his lawful role to do so should require more than a random stop on the road or a dog alert.
PC is a low standard. That is why odor or k9 alert is enough in most states. Some require them to impound the car and apply for a warrant at that point. Other jurisdictions in some states that even allow PC search off odor of MJ alone have SOP that make them get a warrant first.
I think your hypo is interesting. I think the k9 alert is enough for the search, but if the dog isn’t trained to alert on bodies, I would hope they stop the search at that point and apply for a warrant to continue searching the vehicle.
The reason why many don’t make you apply for a warrant is the huge burden it would take. If they had to get a warrant at each checkpoint they would pretty much have to keep a magistrate there 24/7
As I understand it, the thought process is that illegals who sneak across the border will at some point think they are home free and jump on the highway to head wherever. Likely a state that stupidly gives DL’s to anyone without documentation - but that’s a different thread. Whether the interior checkpoints yield arrests of illegals I can’t say. But LE is often driven by stats, so they must be getting some results out of it.
Excellent point. Since we’re not currently deporting anyone WTF purpose does a CBP checkpoint serve? Drug enforcement? Gimme a break…we have PLENTY of local/state LE organizations primarily responsible for that.
Seriously, if CBP is supposed to be in the business of catching illegals and sending them back, and aren’t doing it, this is just another “paperz bitte” checkpoint. Some Mexican mule with 20 kilos of weed or coke? Fine. A U.S. citizen with a dime bag he didn’t bring across the border? That’s not what CBP is for and we all damn well know it.
What year are you living in? They have halted deportations under King Shitstain.
SCOTUS schmotus. They upheld slavery too once upon a time. Didn’t make it right. Wanna get more “modern”? Kelo ring a bell? Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right.
I’m against random checkpoints PERIOD, be they federal/local/state whatever. However, given that the gods-in-black have decreed that it is “legal”, at least use the appropriate agency for it’s intended use.
You guys (many of you LEO’s) obviously cheer this kind of stuff, but remember when the TSA “Viper” teams were starting to show up on interstate highways? Didn’t seem real popular now did it? My point is there are appropriate LE agencies to conduct certain things. Drugs in possession of a U.S. citizen, not brought across the border (because you’re nowhere near it), is NOT within the purview of CBP.
They also make a 25% (of their base wage) LE premium. Know what that works out to? I’m a federal employee and they blow me out of the water money-wise.
Gotta love that LEAP
Crazy, i had a cousin caught walking through the desert last year, (he was clean) they locked him up for 6 months. Now hes back in mx. Im not sure if he has previous criminal run ins here before, but i guess it goes case by case.
No, the majority of illegals are not deported. Even the ones with vast criminal records are just released.
They are a form of control in many ways; the biggest one being psychological- make the citizens stop for no reason, get them used to being scrutinized by LE just for being out of their homes.
Forcing interactions to exert authority over the populace.
Also it makes it so they can go on fishing trips.
I’m sure they do catch bad guys at checkpoints; that doesn’t make them any less abusive to our rights.
And don’t give me the SCOTUS upheld this and that as constitutional BS; SCOTUS upheld ACA forcing people to buy insurance or be penalized monetarily for not doing so, they upheld making the right to bear arms a mere permission, commerce clause, imminent domain, etc and so on…
SCOTUS has subverted separation of power, usurped all sorts of authority not granted to them by the Constitution- Plain and simple.
Everything you guys have stated is 100% true, yet this goon in the video didn’t give the average citizen a good name either.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
The fourth is pretty clear.
Checkpoints viates ones 4a right; using them to create interactions to conduct warrantless searches of citizens and their vehicle is a violation of 4A.
Who cares, being an asshole or a saint should have no bearing on how ones rights are protected or pissed on.
I personally agree he was a dick and I personally wouldn’t act that way, but it is his right to be a dick and not have his rights violated for it.
Fu*@ it! We’ll do it live! No more checkpoints! We’re opening up the borders, lol.
This is my understanding as well. It’s literally impossible to guard every inch of the border. In theory it’s easier to monitor a few rivers than patrol the whole ocean so to speak, and having a second line of defense is a good idea regardless of how well it’s going at the border.
I believe that’s the logic anyway, never seen any stats to know if it’s actually working or not. And I think they’d probably have more luck just patrolling Home Depot parking lots. My best guess is this administration obviously isn’t concerned with keeping illegals out, but is trying to shut down some of the related drug trafficking.