Well reported occurrence, the TRS failure. Lots of folks have decreased their interval for replacement to 7500, and just everybody recommends counting dry fire count into replacement interval. Not a biggy, but not an anomaly.
My own late production Gen4 17 had one FTE so far, at 750 rounds or so.
But below the maintenance interval? I’ve never heard of that until today, in fact.
My department just transitioned from the Sig P229R .40 to the P30 V1 9mm. Safariland makes a Level 1 and 2 holster (SLS) for the P30 V1 9mm. Also, for those wanting a light attached, we’ve found that our Safariland P229R holsters for the TLR-1 also fits the P30 V1 with TLR-1 attached.
As for a true Level 3, the only option we found was the Blackhawk and we didn’t consider the Blackhawk as a viable option.
As for after market support, both Trijicon and Meprolight make suitable night sights for the P30 (even HD’s) and numerous holster makers abound that support the model. If you have any specific questions, feel free to send me a PM.
As for magazines, we can get 15-round magazines for $25.00 a piece, so magazines are not an issue.
Truth be told, IMO, the V1 LEM is the better option followed by perhaps the traditional V3. Choosing a model with the manual safety may prove problematic depending upon how the holster locking mechanism engages the pistol.
I’m a Glock fan but I think my P30 is an amazing pistol and probably now my favorite.
Yes, the DA trigger on my P-30 was heavy and gritty when I got it. Now it’s just heavy as it has smoothed out over time. The long heavy pull has not been a hindrance to good shooting. I do practice regularly with a DA revolver. The reset is long too, but I’ve gotten used to it.
It is reliable and accurate with loads my other pistols don’t like. Never had problems getting mags, usually in the $30-35 range.
Blade-Tech makes a Level 3 Duty Holster for the P30 with X300.
http://shop.blade-tech.com/level-duty-holster-wtaclight-c-1_4_10.html#.Ui3I3sakpWE
OP- can you just seek out a Gen3 H-K series glock 17? I believe those were still considered reliable as Glock used to be. I was in similar shoes, but in the end just stayed with Glock locating gen2s and early Gen 3s on the used market.
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I was initially told the maintenance for the TRS was 12.5k. My first one broke at 5200 live + uncertain number of dry, in a middle of a match, out of all times. I replaced a second at around 10k. My third broke at just under 8k live + dry. Once I found that other people had similar experiences, I decided my interval is going to be 7.5k, except for the one I have now. When we discussed this elsewhere, a question was raised whether even small micro-damage to a TRS during installation could compromise longevity. So, my last one I installed super-carefully, and I am going to shoot it till failure just for my own curiosity. That said, since this is far from a singular event, I am going with 7.5k.
All mine were heavy TRS.
Gentlemen,
thank you so much for the replies. I am VERY interested in the P30L V1, the price is rough, but that can be overcome with saving. I wish I could find one and try the trigger before making a purchase though. The fact of the matter is that I do not trust my G17, and am ready for something more trust worthy. My agency requires at least a level 2 holster in basketweave, and that is not an option yet. I will have to debate on whether or not I want to get a black Bladetech for now and risk the wrath of a Commander, or just get a P30 and get the SF ALS.
Would shooting a USP be similar in the way the trigger feels of the P30?
Pistols with USP series triggers (USP, USP Compact, HK45, HK45C) has slightly shorter trigger reset distance than pistols with P series triggers (P2000/SK, P30/L/S). Also, in my experience P30S/LS has very slightly longer reset than P30/L version (result of allowances made to fit manual safety in S version).
With that taken into account there is not much difference in trigger feel between P30 and USP (or HK45) unless one looks for this differences. There are of course trigger pull weight differences that are factors of different springs used on different variants or years of manufacture (hammer spring, firing pin block spring, sear spring, trigger return spring).
For LEM trigger there is new version (not yet available in US, but any P30 variant can be modified to it per HK Gmbh from Oberndorf) called V4 CH or V4.1. This version was made up to requirements of Swiss Police, who wanted to have shorter pre-travel (and overall trigger travel) for LEM trigger. This version does not reduce trigger reset distance.
To have trigger reset reduced only external gunsmith modification is available (for example Grayguns).
Level 2 Safariland in Basketweave:
http://copquest.com/23-1060_safariland-6280-mid-ride-level-2-holster-tac-light.htm
You can order the model for the P30L or HK45 and they should be interchangeable. My P30LS fits in HK45 duty holsters. Check it out.
The P30 seems to really be shaking things up in the LEO world and is proving to be the best overall choice for a duty weapon. I myself am attempting to become a disciple of the Cult of LEM.
I just picked up a NIB P30 V1 (LITE LEM) 9mm with standard sights and an additional 4 mags that the LGS had in stock.
I dumped a M&P .40 and Beretta .40 to help pay for it. Definately not an affordable pistol. I will have to say that I am not disappointed in the typical overall quality of the HK pistol.
The range time was as expected. I only had time to run 200 rds of AE 115 gr. through it. I will definately have to work on this trigger. I am used to the M&P and GLOCK triggers and I found myself really pulling it to the left. Also, I need to configure the grip to the largest size. I think that also contributed to the results.
Overall, very happy with it. Now I need to find night sights and a duty holster.
As an aside, I located a LNIB USP 9C that Ill pick up tomorrow as an off duty gun. If I like the LEM, Ill prolly reconfigure that one as well.
If your talking DA/SA then yes they feel pretty similar. The USP DA pull is going to be shorter and the reset is also a little shorter. Much like the CZ the USP decock’s to the half cock position which makes for a shorter DA pull vs. the P30 which drops all the way down similar to a SIG.
Another quick 200 rds through the P30. I switched to the large grip panels and this really helped. I will definitely need alot more trigger time to get used to the LEM though.
When I started running reload drills (fire 3, reload fire 2) , my shot group opened way up.
I shoot the USPC 9mm I picked up as a companion piece more consistently then the P30. Aside from the ridiculously heavy initial DA pull, the reset is quite good and consistent with what I remember from my USP’s 9 years or so ago. Ill be converting it to LEM LITE as well for consistency.
Both pistols will need night sights.
Overall, Im very satisfied with the P30. I think it will be worth the transition.
10-8 and Heinie also make sights for the P30/P30L.
Safariland makes but does not list an ALS holster for the P30L (with no light) in the 6378 (fit code 395). But it’s only available in STX Plain Black and STX Tactical Black. And you’d need one of the UBLs and it’s still just a Level I.
I have owned a three P30s (two P30Ls one P30), two with LEMs and one V3. And I heart my P30L V1.
I haven’t read all the posts in this thread. But I am a P30L owner of several years. As soon as I bought it I sent it to Bill Springfield (I guess there are some mixed reviews of his AR work) and the trigger came back 100% better and has functioned perfectly for almost 2k rounds. The problem is my PPQ’s trigger is about 300% better and that’s factory! So P30 + trigger work is a good thing. Its a fantastic pistol, with mediocre to poor trigger from the factory.
I had P30L plans today, but this ****ing flood has ruined em. Fantastic.
Thanks for all the great info gents.
Savings get wiped out by flood damage or too busy rescuing people stranded by the floods?
I personally havent had any property damage yet, however the flood from the Poudre River is now 6 miles away and growing, and the town over was evac’ed last night. I’m on standby now but haven’t been called up yet as I am on vacation (but can’t get to the airport!). The reason the plans were dashed is that the only store carrying what I need is playing submarine right now.
Well, the goods news is that it is an H&K and you might be able to get it with some sort of flood damage discount.
