Shady is different than mean. I know plenty of guys known as “nice guys” that are slicker than snail snot at weaseling out of work and pulling the wool over people’s eyes.
Anyway, yeah, I may be wrong in comparing Magpul the company I compared them to earlier- not that LT is bad, but Magpul is that much better. I never bought into the actual Magpuls when they were first out but I was on ARF when Richard first threw out the idea of the MIAD.
I also told him I had an idea for a VFG and he was open to any and all suggestions- stating that the direction I was going was the direction he wanted to go. But, I never took it any farther and now they don’t take outside ideas…
I’ve always heard great things about Magpul and own some of their products. But, I’m still holding off on getting any P-Mags. I’m one of those people that is skeptical of new things that are supposed to the greatest thing ever, etc. . . . like the H&K steel mags that everyone loved at first. I’m glad I didn’t waste any time or money on those.
PMags really are that good. Better than anything out there that I’ve tried. I’ve stepped on many a metal mag by accident. Its my biggest goof, but the PMags withstand a drop or stomp better than my other mags.
Well, I’m new to Magpul. Just bought my first three P-mags from Grant. One for me and the other two for Christmas gifts. I may be in the market for a MIAD soon as well.
All I can say is, for the most part, I couldn’t care less if a company makes the best quality stuff if they treat me like crap. I can understand that anything in this mortal coil made by humans will ultimately fail or be flawed in some way. What I have a hard time with, is a company that doesn’t stand behind their products when they make the inevitable mistake.
Magpul knows what they are doing. They are building equity. They are going way above and beyond what others in their industry consider acceptable business practices. They are knocking the ball out of the park by taking care of their customers, and surprising them with an unexpectedly high level of quality, service and generosity. An unbeatable combination. It’s the age old Biblical concept of going the extra mile. That kind of reputation spreads like wildfire and creates a following so loyal, so fiercely committed, that their customers will stick with them through thick and thin. Since I brought up the Bible, there must have been something about the way Jesus treated people that caused Christianity to spread like wildfire in those first few centuries. Something about Jesus drove people to claim his name in the face of some of the worst persecution Rome could dish out. 2000 years later, still…fierce loyalty!
Every company experiences growing pains and releases a product that can have teething issues. With a reputation for keeping people happy, Magpul will weather the storms and stay in business for the long haul. People will stick with them. Many a company has started out this way, only to grow and change the way it does business. That is when they lose people. Once they start down the road of not taking care of people, that reputation is very difficult to restore. Without naming names, a national home improvement chain is currently in this very predicament.
Keep it up Magpul. Keep listening to your customer base, keep taking ownership of your products and keep exceeding our expectations and there will always be bread on your table. This is the stuff of empire building.
That’s cool, except I don’t think you are the opposite of me necessarily, since I’m not saying I will run crap gear from anyone as long as they treat me well. That’s why I qualified the statement with “for the most part”.
Primarily, in todays marketplace, you really need to have both quality and service in order to succeed. There is too much competition. If you lack either, consumers will quickly move on as there are plenty of astute sellers/manufacturers that will step in and fill the vacuum. Of course, I suppose there could be situations where there are no quality alternatives, except from “asshole” sellers. When lives are on the line, I agree, you’ve got to go with top quality. But it’ll only be a matter of time until another company rises to meet the need.
Thankfully, Magpul exhibits both quality and service.
I SECOND THIS! I spoke with Drake at Magpul several months ago about a SWAT team in upstate New York who was in desperate need of magazines. Their department would not come up with the money to buy them new magazines for their M4 carbines. So most of their magazines were Gulf War 1 era and mags guys swiped from their reserve unit. Magpul without hesitation sent they a good quantity free of charge. This was not only providing them with proper equipment to do their jobs but a major boost in morale. This showed these guys that what they put on the line was appreciated. This also showed that Magpul was out to help the guys and it was not just about the bottom line. They care about our troops and police, even when the agencies don’t. This is a real testament to the type of people and philosophy of Magpul. As a rule in my experience, most of the reputable manufacturers truly care about the professionals who use their products and will step up to professionals in need, but Magpul went way above and beyond the call of duty.
This is not all! I taught some classes for a National Guard Infantry unit being deployed to Afghanistan. Like many military units, their magazine supply was old and god knows saw Gulf War 1. They were not given new magazines prior to deployment. I had looked over their weapons as well as their magazines and saw the situation was quite serious. The troops had no reason to believe they would get resupplied new magazines prior to deployment. Now we know, they were not. They have been in country for more than 2 months now. Magpul donated 500 magazines to this Infantry unit! These troops are engaged in daily operations in combat. They have reported back how great these magazines are and nobody has experienced any failures of any kind. Once again this shows the integrity of Magpul
All I can say is thank you. You truly make a difference in the lives of our cops and troops.
…Merry Christmas…
At the Pueblo LAV Pistol/Carbine courses in September!
I was really surprised to get all the free boot the day of the Carbine class…We all looked like kids in a candy store!
Great stuff too, MagPuls, MIAD, followers, and PMAGS!
Like a mini-Christmas party for 20 or so…with weapons…
hosted by Jeff, taught by LAV and gear by Team Magpul…geez…
…guys could shoot too…
If you have open class next time, I’m there!
Thanks again for a great time guys!
I was thinking about starting another thread, but figured I would just update this thread for others who may have not seen the first thread from last year.
This past weekend I hosted Pat Rogers ( www.eagtactical.com ) for a 3 day Carbine Operators Course. Unfortunately none of the Magpul crew was there (as they have been to several training classes in the past).
After sign in each student recieve a free Magpul P-MAG complements of Mapul Corp.
I would like to give a big THANKS to Rich Fitzpatrick, Drake Clark, and the awesome crew at Magpul Corp. for supporting the shooting sports and training in general. What an awesome company and an awesome gesture. And this isn’t the first class I’ve been to where each student received a complementary P-MAG.
The high mountain desert sand and dust got into everything. I didn’t witness or hear of anyone having a problem with the Magpul P-MAGS.
I have been running P-MAGs exclusively since I first received a few in a training class last Sept.
I have used nothing but P-MAGs in the class and they were all numbered. I tried to run #1 - #6 as much as possible to see if I could get them to develop problems. I ran P-MAGs #1 - #6 for approximatley 90% of the class and didn’t have a problem with any of the mags. The P-MAGs were constantly being dropped in the fine sand (reloads, etc), they were stepped on, and abused. I was impressed by the performance of the P-MAGs. As I was unloading my gear on Monday night at the end of class, I could hear dirt and debris that is still inside some of the mags:
Magpul is a first class company staffed by some very nice and knowledgeable people. Thats for sure! I can’t wait to get one of their lower receivers as soon as they come out.
I had that happen to me in my last class. I shot Pmags 95% of the time. We use the DPS range out at Ben Avery a lot of the time. It has that peat gravel on the ground. :mad: That shit gets into everything that touches the ground. The pmags ran flawlessly.
Just to throw out another thanks to Magpul. It is really great to see companies that have a focus on more than just their products.
Jeff, in the picture of me I actually look somewhat competent. Normally I end up looking like a lost 12 year old with an inner ear infection… clueless, clumsy and uncoordinated.
ETA:
Jeff, I had one minor pmag issue. I had one that got heavily full of that dust/sand stuff (probably kicked it across the deck)and I couldn’t seat the mag. Some generous beating dumped out about a pound of dirt and freed the rounds. Mag worked after that.
I was really bummed to have missed this one. I got stuck traveling out of town (Dallas) for business. I managed to squeeze in some range time, 3k rounds through a SAW M249 all through PMAG’s!!
Thanks for all of the kind words and glad to hear everyone got the PMAG’s. I really wish I copuld have made it. Looks like there were several fimiliar faces.
