Magpul AFG?

AR/M4 AR General Discussion
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I have an LMT 10.5" upper with F style front sight base to which I installed a Daniel Defense Omega 7" carbine rail. I’m really interested in the new Magpul AFG foregrip but was wondering how it will fit, feel, and function on a short 7" carbine rail? Does anyone have one of the AFG’s on such a setup and or have any pictures??? I called Magpul and thier tech said the AFG is about 5.5" long so it would take up pretty much the whole rail. He also said I could mount it forward so it would overhang slightly and still be solid. I know it wouldn’t be in the preferred position as say on a 9" or 10" rail so my arm was extended the way it was intended but this is what I have to work with.

Thanks,
Bake

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i think you’d be better served with a handstop for and sbr like yours.

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they’re really pretty much wasted on a short rail- you have to be a bit of a contortionist just to be able to grip it right.

a stubby VFG with a crotch grip about midway on the rail works good for carbine guards

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It all depends on your hold on the rail and what you’re comfortable with, but I agree that an AFG on a carbine length rail does not provide enough space for a comfortable configuration. And I’m a short guy, so this is saying a lot.

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I agree.
I had the chance to try a AFG on my carbine but I didnt like it at all :rolleyes: I also tryed it on a middy and it’s amazing how a few inches can make a huge difference :eek:

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Haha, I’ve never heard it called a crotch grip before, but it instantly made sense. :smiley:

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Certainly does not stop folks from looking kinda funny working that pretzel 8 hold…:smiley: If magpul makes it, who cares if I look like the funky chicken when I shoot:D

In all seriousness to the opt, I enjoy a TD stubby on carbine length rails(7") and over the last months I have been trying out the AFG and I have made three major position changes with it on an almost 14" rail…each position change I ended up moving it more forward and now its 2 t marks from the end of the rail. I now believe that these AFG’s really should only be used on long rail guns to get designed effect outta them…and once you start to play with the grip on the AFG, you most likely will immediately pick up on this.

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Looks like I have a couple choices…choose a setup above or get a bigger rail. That thing does look comfortable though.

Thanks everyone,
Bake

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Heed the advice in this thread. On a 7 inch rail, it will be cramped. The AFG is really optimized for use with longer rails with your support hand further out. Either get a VFG and use the “crotch grip”, or just get a handstop. If you really really want the benefits of the AFG, I would suggest you get a longer rail. I won’t link straight to the images, but scroll down on the page and you will see what it looks like on a 7 inch rail.

http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/ar.furniture2.html#afg

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Wow, link pretty much summed it up and confirmed what everyone else was saying.

Thank you and everyone else,
Bake

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Not trying to thread jack but should I be ok on a 10 inch rail?

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I use an AFG to good effect on a 10.5" gun. The drawback is that the stock needs to be ran almost all the way out.

And one that Mark took… Stock is at 2nd to last position.

Been working it with the stock all the way out as of late to get that elbow just a little straighter.

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I think it’s something that needs to be tried out to say.I personally like the AFG on my carbine…To the back of the rail even.

I also like a magwell hold at short ranges(despite it being “wrong”).

I never could get use to the stretched out “proper” way that’s so popular.A more compact and close in handling of the weapon is faster for me in close(haven’t noticed a tendency to “over-drive” the target and needing correction) and less fatiguing(support arm) over long periods of shooting.

I seem to be using the proper grip,just alot closer in than what’s usually seen.It(AFG) feels just like it was made for the grip I was using with a VFG(also to the rear)…Pinky/ring on the VFG,middle finger riding the rail and top of the VFG,and thumb/index gripping the rail.The AFG gives me the same grip just more naturally.

I usually use the magwell hold in close and move my support hand out to the AFG as the distances increase(35~ yards +).

…Maybe I just have short little midget arms(I’m about 5’9").:slight_smile:

BTW-I’m not arguing that I’m doing things the optimal way.But sometimes you gotta stop fighting what works for you.

Alot people in various Halls Of Fame who did things “the wrong way”.

-YMMV

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I have a AFG on my carbine length rail and find it comfortable with the stock fully extended. But as with all things, you have to go with what is going to work for and be comfortable for you. I prefer the way I can situate my hand on the AFG as opposed to a VFG, and gripping the magwell just doesn’t feel right to me. I say give it a shot if you are not on a tight budget, and if it doesn’t work save the AFG for another build that would work better for you.

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When they came out I bought 2 one for a 16" with 14 inch dd rail, the second one was for my sbr 10" with ten inch rail. I run my stocks flush or out to the first notch. Love it on my 16" rifle. Took it of my sbr, just didnt feel right for me, went with some Gear Sector hands stops, and love’em.

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I have your exact setup. The grip feels great…until you shoulder you weapon. For me, it just doesn’t feel “right.” My forearm feels tweaked, like it is gently being turned the wrong direction. I’m 6’2" and have a decent size wingspan. The “crotch grip” is gonna be my next try.

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If you think the AFG won’t work for you on the short rail, you could try the new RVG (Rail Vertical Grip). It is the same plastic as their other products and it looks like you could shorten it if you wanted.