M855A1 Improved Green Tip?

So what’s the legitimate skinny on this round?

It’s currently in my magazines as I’m typing this. All I can find is the wikipedia stuff lifted straight from the Ordnance press releases, and some gun rag articles that seem more focused on anger at DoD for “caving to the environmental movement” and making a lead-free bullet.

Except I seem to remember a couple lines of solid copper ammunition that were supposed to be pretty darned good, and when I look at the info from the DoD it sounds like they put a lot of (well-thought-out) work into this. The features listing, including stuff like flash suppressant in the powder and better projectile construction, sounds like something on the advertisement page for XYZ Barrier Blind Law Enforcement Premium ammunition.

So…does anybody have any empirical information on this load and its terminal ballistics, beyond what the Army put out in press releases and G&A determined from guesswork and apopleptic hand-wringing?

There’s nearly a dozen threads on M855A1, on this site alone, have you really looked around much besides Wikipedia?

i wouldnt spend the xtra jack for it

Well, you don’t have the actual current-issue M855A1. What you have are rejects that failed the army trials and are now offered up on the civvy market…UNLESS you are MIL and got it via your supply chain. Then you may have the legit stuff.

I know that NONE of the current issue, final M855A1 product has been offered up for sale outside of the military yet.

EDIT: Also, watch out for popped primers as even the reject rounds are loaded very hot…hotter than M855.

Really is there ammo for sale? I don’t think at this point anyone cares about ammo issues due to non availibility

Are you currently deployed?

As I recall, it is better at penetrating barriers than old M855.

Flash suppressed powder is good and long overdue.

I’m not sure any soft tissue results were ever released.

The M855A1 is likely no better than old M855 in tissue.

Definitely didn’t spend MY scratch on it.

Yes, I have a rich Uncle, and I am touring the world at his expense.

A little more info:
http://www.aschq.army.mil/ac/aais/ioc/LCAAP/Industry_Day/634272332137343750.pdf

Stay safe.

What the good Doc had to say about the presentation

There was a member that did a gel test of the real deal 855a1 that was promptly removed. It was information that should not have got out. I believe he or the site was contacted, and asked to remove.

I remember seeing the gel test for the short period it was up. From the gel test it looked to perform far better than other mil ammunition i have seen tested.

If i remember correctly the member that did the test said he would rather use it then the other mil offerings. You can find the thread it will not have the pics, but Im pretty sure it has the explanation of why it was taken down.

OP be safe on that paid tour your rich uncle sent you on.

If anyone has the pics saved, I would love to see them if sent privately.

M855A1 offers better terminal performance than M855, but has other issues. Mk262 and Mk318 don’t have those issues.

IIRC, chamber pressures were listed as being between 61,000 psi and 63,000 psi. WAY too high for a system that is already trying to cope with elevated port pressures of the carbine gas system.

Doc, please correct me if I’m wrong on the pressures.

Friends and acquaintances who have used it overseas report that it is noticeably more effective on people than M855.

It looked like hornady 75gr tap “lite”, so to speak. I was impressed.