From what I gather it’s the forearms rails that are off center, and the receiver rail is out of spec. Former is a non-issue since I will not get a quad rail forearm, but the latter would be a dealbreaker. I’ll have to do more research and see if the receiver rail is an ongoing issue.
The Sig 556 rifles that i purchased are the last of the Sig’s i will buy unless a used W German 220 comes my way. Mine work great for my purposes but i am not using them in a life or death situation. They require too much aftermarket items to make the suitable for me.
I’m telling you right now, the sig556R in 7.62 soviet is sure looking attractive.
I’ve always wanted a 7.62x39mm with an easy to use ambi selector switch and this is it.
IF the x39 556R is reliable, then I can see a couple advantages it might have over a standard AK. Longer sight radius and better selector switch being the biggest ones. If the rail was in spec and solid, I’d dare say it would be a decent AK alternative.
Thats IF its reliable, and well made, however. At the rate Sig is going, thats a lot to ask for.
No Scotty. Owning both does not make one more qualified than someone who just has a 556. Stop with the BS, posthaste. It’s tiring.
For honest, non-biased, NO BS reports on the 556 or 556R, report to sigarms556.com website.
Intellectually honest information is awaiting you there.
He is correct in the context he stipulated, IF comparing it to a military grade SIG.
If comparing it to other military grade weapons, you would need to own one of those as well.
But you can own just a 556 and comment on the performance of that particular rifle alone.
I think people are just sick of Scottryans arrogant attitude. He seems to want to talk with authority regarding weapons, TTPs and the “real world”, but fails to list what makes him the expert when called on it. It gets old.
Here’s a couple of threads that he avoids the questions after pissing people off…
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=864498#post864498
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=876723#post876723
No what they are tired of is this same SIG556 subject coming up every week and we have to rehash the same shit over and over again.
Is there really a need to turn a discussion here personal?
Scott, why do you think people get pissed at your replies all of the time? We all have given attitude in posts, and I am as guilty as anyone in that regard, but your posts always have an arrogant tone to them.
As I have asked before… what qualifies you to talk down to people? I know that you’re a collector, and can tell someone when a Colt rifle was made by the serial number, but what really qualifies you to be an “expert” on these weapons? I’ve seen you post about certain weapons and the “real world” but you fail to explain what your real world experience is with them. I’m just curious so that I can weigh your opinions against others.
speaking of SIG…
What type of rifle parts do they sell to the public?
Gotcha, I’m just trying to keep it specific and make sure we are all understanding what is being said. I think a lot of the “hissies” come from people reading something and thinking something else was said. It’s actually kind of easy to do if you aren’t careful.
Like I said. I have owned the pistol version and currently own the patrol carbine. I sold the pistol because I didn’t like the lower reciever( the older AR type lower). If SIG produces a pistol version that will allow a Swiss side folder to be attached (once it’s been approved as an SBR), then I will probably buy another pistol as well. They’re a lot fun to shoot and with the extra money you can make a “stock/ off the shelf” rifle a nice weapon that allows the use of AR mags.
I agree that the best place to get your question answered would be the SIG forum.
For a matter of full disclosure I currently own a SIG P228, P226, SP2022, and P220R…what can I say I really like SIG pistols. So there you have it.
I had a SIG 556 SWAT Pistol and a 556 Classic. Bought them new off of Gunbroker shortly after the election. The Pistol: front sight had alot of play did not fit tight in the base, reciever rail was way out of spec, whatever I mounted on it would loosen up after a couple of shots, lots of play between upper and lower reciever, SIG/Chicom aimpoint knockoff that came with it gave out after several mags. Classic: fit and finish was much better than the Pistol, nice snug fit between upper and lower, internals it looked like someone had taken a Dremel to the hammer looked like it was ground down uneven not machined, reciever rail was out of spec also but not as bad as the Pistol it took a mag or two for things to loosen up. Ran several hundred rounds through each them and they ran fine, accuracy was ok but not great. There have been alot of people that have had accuracy and or function problems with them though. The quality on is sort of Bushmaster or maybe even worse with cheap Chicom furniture, sights, subassemblies, etc… I owned several German made SIG pistols back in the 90’s and they were great guns, I was very disappointed with these U.S. SIG rifles. I sold and traded them off for a SCAR 16 and havent looked back. CDNN has a special on new Colt 6520’s for $900 that would be a much better value for your money.
They aren’t a replacement for a good M4 or AK made from a military grade assembly line. They’re heavy, and while most of them seem to work good, you can never be quite sure which corners were cut in manufacturing them that are going to come back and bite you in the rear end at a later date.
Having had experience with both the 551/552 & owning a 556 I can give you my opinion.
-The 556 is a commercial copy of a military weapon that is altered to take AR mags and is not built to the level of a 551/2/3, while it uses a similar system. A few of us really wanted a 551/2 and got fishgills early on which was a real dissapointment.
-The 556 was built to a price point, not to a TDP “standard”. At 800-900 it is arguably a decent value, at $1200-2k it was a epic rip off.
-During the election and after they were shoving them out the door as fast as they could to keep up with orders and combined with the lesser degree of QC instituted at SIG some real dogs got out the door. I had been told the warranty service costs of fixing them got their attention but with the outsourcing of parts and different vendors who knows.
-The furniture is now better executed. But if you have held a 551 comparatively it still kinda feels like playskool stuff. However you can now purchase real SAN furniture, sights, & parts (remember 922r) here in the US to upgrade it if you wish. You can order the real adjustable swiss stock from the Gun Factory or the bantam from Colorado gun sales. You can even purchase a swiss lower that will only take swiss mags, if you want to hang with 50 dollar mags. And skip their rails, there are better after market rail products.
I took off the Sig Sauer red dot and put it in a box with a note that said “Are you kidding me??” and mailed it to Exeter attention Ron Cohen. It was a exercise in futility but it was a well spent $10 and my soul felt better.
-Mine has been dependable to the the 6k round mark. It is a good gun that I do enjoy, although my oldest son calls me Sonny Crocket when I pull it, now that he has seen Miami Vice. Would I deploy overseas with it, no, but at this point mine my particular gun has proven itself to me and if I had to reach for it in a SHTF moment I would. I like have different types of guns in my collection not all of which are suitable for a military or LE applications other folks do not so it just depends on your taste.
-My recommendation if you decide you want one is to find one in stock and give it a good visual inspection looking for loose furniture, canted rails, or machining errors in the action. If you want something you want to “Swissify” as I did it is a good jumping off point for a project. Just be sure to run a thousand rounds thru it first, as you would any new gun, before changing too much in case you do need a warranty repair.
Exactly and very comprehensive.
I must have misunderstood the original posters intent. I was under the impression he was asking for opinions on the 556.
Well done.
I look at the SIG 556 as I do a Bushmaster or DPMS carbine.
CAN you get a good one that runs as it should? Sure.
Are the chances that you are going to get one with fleas much higher than it should be? Yes.
Can you spend time and money replacing parts on the carbine that should have been done right the first time at the factory? Yes.
Should you have had to? No, especially knowing that they could have done it right the first time, but chose not to.