I’d really like to see something similar happen here…AR style of course.
Ideas? It could be a series of drills every month with times posted according to some system(I could police them up and enter them into a dedicated thread, and volunteer my mediocre services if this comes to pass.) It could be scores on various standards, bullseye competitions, I suppose the possibilities are endless if it becomes an ongoing thing.
Will people cheat? Probably, but I guess I don’t really care. Some folks will back it up with video, some will shoot with other members present who can vouch, and some we’ll just have to take at their word.
there are other sites that are doing pistol. this site is still “m4carbine”…
if we ARE going to do both they should be kept separate. Those that can’t get to a rifle range or one that allows them can do the pistol stuff, those that are only interested in the rifle stuff can do just that.
Uncut video should filter some of that concern out. I would participate; I don’t imagine I will fare well, but some constructive criticism from my peers on the attempts would be great.
I go in for shoulder surgery tomorrow and will look into this. It would have to be set up so that it maximizes the number of people that can do it based on range restrictions, etc. Of course it’s the honor system and people would have to live with themselves if cheating.
Let’s throw some ideas about–
After my dope supply runs out, I will be able to make sense on the follow up.= and will plenty of time I hope.
Some ideas
Years ago, I did the rimfire central postal match. You sent your fee to the match organizer (cheap) and he would send you the target(s) that were numbered and marked. You shot and sent then to him and he would post the results. That would be a lot of work.
An idea is to standardize the target, easily obtainable and the course could change, again trying to allow maximum participation with various range restriction. We could simply have the score posted and those could be organized into order.
Ground rules would need to be set such as check zero and shoot it once and not shoot it until you have a great score. We could do two classes, irons only and dots, wouldn’t want to get into precision scoped on this.
We could do two courses, one static for those who can’t move and one with positional/movement, etc.
There could be tacked threads for the “February carbine drill of the month” and “February handgun drill of the month”, and the only things posted in them are the drills and scores, no witty banter, no pissing and moaning.
Then there are threads for “March carbine drill of the month - suggestions” and “March handgun drill of the month- suggestions”, and with one week way from the 1st a mod starts a thread with a poll “March carbine drill of the month - poll” wherein the top suggestions from the discussion thread are listed and voted on. Top votes wins.
I do NOT think we want to get all Obama on this and make the drills so lame that “anyone can do them”. Make the drills - people that can do them will vote, etc. There may be months where it’s a 200 yard drill and I can’t/don’t participate. There may be months when it’s a 10 yards speed drill and someone else can’t. Such is life.
Since I get grief for not offering to help around here, I so firmly believe in this I would be happy to help with moderation/posting/polling duties in whatever way I can.
Sounds good, let me see what I have time to work on later before tomorrow so we could run it.
Rob, if you want, post a course idea and with what target and we can see if it’ll run for feb.
I’ll sticky this for now and may move it over to the competition section and check to see if we can make a separate area for it. That may take some time.
Yes, the B8 and B5’s are very useful. IPSC’s are another, maybe use those for longer ranges when incorporated.
I think posting pics and video would be a killer on bandwidth unless approved, that may not happen.
I’ll suggest
state the target(s) to be used
state the course
Shot within the calender month
prefer to be witnessed by another member, not a requirement.
simply submit the score, don’t get into a pic thread with your gucci stick–just say 16" middy, iron sights or 20" rifle, T1
i, or someone else can move the score into one post and delete the member’s post. I’m a computer dummy, so if someone would want to compile them into an excel, etc format and post that?
I doubt it’ll go over that as we can use a target that will be challenging.
Please remember and this is one example, if your range only allows 25 yards, you will have to wait until we have a course with that only.
Carbine
Distance: 5 Yards
Round Count: 30
Target: Link (and attached)
Start Position: muzzle depressed at below 45* to the ground, stock in shoulder, hands on pistol grip and forend, looking over top of gun at target.
Scoring: Go/No-Go, report time(s)
Fire 10 rounds into the 2" Circle. Record time.
Fire 10 rounds into the 4" Circle. Record time.
Fire 10 rounds into the 8" circle. Record time.
All hits must be inside the circle, or breaking the line, to count.
Report fastest times for a full “go”. Do not pick and choose this 2" time and that 8" time, but all times from the shortest overall clean run.
[i]2" Time:
4" Time:
8" Time:
of attempts to get clean run:
Carbine used:
Modifications to stock Carbine:
Ammo used:[/i]
Fire 10 rounds into the 2" Circle. Record time.
Fire 10 rounds into the 4" Circle. Record time.
Fire 10 rounds into the 8" circle. Record time.
All hits must be inside the circle, or breaking the line, to count.
Report fastest times for a full “go”. Do not pick and choose this 2" time and that 8" time, but all times from the shortest overall clean run. Report if shot from concealment or open carry.
[i]2" Time:
4" Time:
8" Time:
of attempts to get clean run:
Concealed/Open Carry:
Pistol used:
Modifications to stock pistol:
Ammo used:[/i]
The idea with the above is that it requires VERY little in the way of range lattitude. You could conceivably shoot it at an indoor range with a 9mm carbine or frangible ammo if they allow it. Alternately, you can shoot the handgun portion of the EXACT SAME DRILL.
It is also very simply scored as it is just a factor of fastest time for a clean run. No this or that, adding, calculus, percentages, hit factors, or vernal equinox required. Go/no-go? Go? record time.
It is also able to be shot over and over to improve your time. For anyone that hasn’t shot this before they may not catch that they need to remember their offset for the 2" circle and possibly the 4" circle.
Rob_S… any chance I could talk you into scaling that up to 7 yards?
We can’t shoot below 7 yards at the range I go to and the indoor range requires the use of their ammo. so this would be an expensive un-fun competition for me. Which means I would have to pass.
Also on attempts made. If you miss say one of your 2" shots. You just start over right? IOW, an attempt is not necessarily 30 rounds fired.
ETA: also how do you get that target to print at proper scale? Link is 403 for me.
Or maybe before you design all the comps perhaps take a running poll to see what sort of ranges participants would be able to shoot.
3 static
3 movement
7 static
7 movement
10 S
10 M
etc.
Minimum - Max - Pistol Range
Min - Max - Rifle range
personally, as mentioned, I don’t care if not everyone can shoot every single drill. This isn’t welfare, or the government. This one may not work for someone, the next one might not work for me, the one after that may not work for someone else. It’s just a fact of life.
There is no reason that, if someone wanted to, you couldn’t hang the target at 7 and shoot it at 7, or grow the targets by double and shoot it that way, or whatever made them happy.
Remember also that people will have a MONTH to shoot these. Just because someone’s regular range may not be friendly doesn’t mean they can’t go somewhere else and shoot it in an environment that will allow it.
I’ll work on the link to the target. this is not THE drill, it’s just A drill that I’m proposing.