As anyone heard of this importer (M+M Inc)? I’ve been thinking of picking up a 7.62 variant AK in the future and was curious if anyone has any knowledge/experience with this importer or this rifle in particular.
Looks like WASR 10 conversion crap to me.
It is…
In other words not worth the price tag. :stop:
ordered one of these a week ago and should be here soon, christmas traffic. its amazing how people are so fast to judge things without even owning this particular rifle, oh wait they probably have since theya are saying its a piece of crap. well i tell you what once i get it and take it to the range and see if its really a piece of crap certain peopl say it is, oh by the way Merry Christmas;)
The items that intrigue me:
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Gas block/front sight combo. This is an expensive upgrade if you choose to have a smith install one on an existing rifle. The blocks themselves are expensive and difficult to find. These lighten up the typically front-heavy AK’s and make them much more pleasurable to shoot and carry for extended periods of time.
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Wire folding stock. Again a less-than-easy to find item. The wire stocks are durable and functional.
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New production, cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel. Building AK’s from parts are often a guessing game at what type of history the barrel has.
The cost for most WASR’s these days are around $400-$500 depending on where you look. For an additional $70, that you more than make up for in upgraded parts, as long as these rifles are functional I think the price is pretty reasonable.
The handguards are probably junk, but that’s a simple fix of getting an Ultimak rail and a replacement Russian/Bulgarian handguard from K-Var.
I’m curious to hear how these shoot.
Tom pointed out all of the reasons why I’m interested in this rifle. I currently have a SGL-31 and was thinking of picking up a SGL-21 to compliment it. This rifle has a few options that have me intrigued and curious to see if its a solid rifle.
bm176 - glad to hear you’ll be giving it a decide try. I’m looking forward to a range report.
I honestly think you’d be far better off with a SGL-21 and adding things like wire stocks as needed. If you want a serious use rifle the 21 is the place to start, if you just want a blaster for “behind the barn” may as well get a stock WASR 10 and be done.
Trying to turn a WASR 10 into a serious use rifle is a tall order for anyone and it is entirely possible you will spend all that money and still have a problematic rifle that doesn’t meet your expectations.
Many instructors that teach with the AK platform use WASRs as loaner rifles with no hesitations. They are cheap, and when gone over, they are reliable and reasonably accurate.
I know, I’ve seen the Larry Vickers pictures. All I’m saying is I’ve seen more than a few that couldn’t be made acceptable regardless of any “going over.”
I just don’t think IMO that it is worth it to try and fix one up when you could just get a SGL-21.
FWIW, at the last Vickers AK class at South Hill, VA, LAV said he’s no longer recommending a WASR even as a base rifle.
The one he uses sometimes as a training rifle was one of the earlier ones and it’s also been reworked/upgraded and refinished.
Seeing as WASRs stopped having Romanian barrels, I can certainly see why he wouldnt recommend them.
I’m also not speaking of Vickers solely, in fact I wasnt speaking of him at all.
I have seen more than a few that have worked fine out of the box. Thats not to say the WASR series hasnt been without its problems, but I will say when you get one that runs, it will run. The Henderson Defense certified WASRs which were gone over were known to run just fine, and capable of reasonable AK accuracy. While I will say the SGL series is much better than the WASRs, the SGLs arent without their problems from time to time.
While I would agree, the problem is you, me, we havent had our hands on this particular rifle. Until we do, its prudent to hold off with comments condemning them.
I was simply alluding to the fact that I knew what you were talking about and I cited Vickers as an example.
I don’t see how putting new furniture and a different US barrel will fix most of the problems I’ve seen with WASRs. But I understand your point that we haven’t seen “this” rifle.
never had any of the earlier wasrs that were known to have some issues, you know what im talkin about. but i have 3 and goin on 4 total romy ak type variants, why i have romys and no saiga or arsenal, well for one they currently import them as close to a true type akm style rifle from the cugir factory which i am looking for, not no hunting style rifle that you have to convert yourself or have another company put it together at a higher cost, and dont even care if its from the mother land russia. romys gives u.s consumers more choices, at a good price. unless mother russia imports them to a close type akm style rifle not no hunting ak, then i will buy one, but thats just me. if i wanted a quality ak type from the factory i would skip the saigas and arsenal and get a vepr even though their not true to an oringinal akm style, because they quality of the veprs exceeds the saigas and arsenals.
Those side-folding wire stocks have to be the worst stock I’ve ever used on any gun. Bought a couple in the days when they were cheap. Took them off after one range trip. Words can’t describe how bad the ergonomics are. A thick metal wire pressed against your jaw channeling all the recoil vibrations into your head just isn’t very pleasant.
Still better than the underfolder.
agreed with steyraug, its better than any underfolder at least for me also.
worst for some and not so for others, as i had one on my romy rpk, when i shoot w/irons i have no problems with it on my cheek, i also have a vz58 w/metal side folder and no problems shooting with it. but you do know nowdays theres endless options outhere for them right. im keeping the wirefolder when my rifle comes in cause just ordered one of these today
That’s kinda cool.
From Aim web site: “heat-treated, stamped receiver to military specifications”
Who’s “MILITARY SPECS”???