So I went to a local gun shop here in NJ to see if they had any Saiga shotguns. They didn’t but I did see these 2 LWRC rifles on the rack. One was an all black .308. The other was the m6a2 spr in 5.56. I asked to see the 5.56 and I was impressed. I’m not an expert on ARs but it looked to me like this thing was oozing quality and precision.
So instead of thinking I gotta sell an SKS and maybe something else to pay for a Saiga shotgun. I might be now be looking to sell an M1 Garand, a Colt match target hbar 20", and still maybe something else cause this thing had a price tag of $2,450. Is that a good price for this rifle and am I right in thinking that it is a high quality weapon? I think LWRC is one of the brands that is always talked about very positively on this website.
I went to the LWRC website and there’s some info but not a whole lot. I do know it’s a piston system rifle. I have a Colt mt6400c which I am very happy with but I did want to get a piston rifle.
One question I have is what would u usually use a rifle like this for? From the write up on the website it seems to be geared towards the LE/Military market? Is that right? Also, I usually shoot 55gr PMC and UMC ammo. Will it shoot that stuff reliably?
Ok, I just did a search on LWRC on this site and what I read was mostly negative on. Why the hell did I think it was one of the top brands here?
Anyway, if I wanted a quality M4 other than my Colt mt6400c what would u recommend? I’m in NJ so I can’t have a collapsable stock and flash supp. I wanted to try a piston gun but I saw in one of the posts that pistons are also mostly thought of negatively on this site.
Same thing happened with me. For some reason I used to also think LWRC was “top tier” until I actually looked it up. As for recommendations, I can’t speak from much experience but from all the reading I’ve done on this site, I don’t think you can go wrong with DD, BCM, Noveske, Colt, etc.
Pistons offer no real advantage over a quality DI rifle at the expense of added weight, increased cost, and proprietary parts. Probably the only people seeing any advantage are those with suppressed, SBR, firing a lot of full auto - and this is even debatable.
Having said that the LWRCI produced over the past three years are not bad per se, just not a significant advantage. If you want a very good top shelf AR, take a look at the Knights SR-15E3 or LMT MRP.
LWRCI evokes so much negativity that I actually want to buy an upper. However, I currently have no use for a piston AR upper, and I would certainly not get one in SPR length.
There is a fair amount of discussion if you search the forum. My personal experience with LWRCI is as follows:
14.5" M6A2 in 6.8SPC - reliable with Barrett mags but not C-Products; shoots about 1.5-2 MOA with factory ammo; has only 1500 rounds due to cost
20" REPR - this was one of the early production guns; had the infamous mag catch problem that caused FTF every 5-6 rounds until replaced by factory; now very reliable with PMAGLR20 and shoots about 1-1.5 MOA with factory match ammo (friend’s hand loads just under 1 MOA); also has the notorious “sticky” gas regulator that requires lube every 200 rounds and a tool to adjust; I have 3500 rounds down the pipe and it is just as reliable and accurate as my 16" MWS, but is heavier and a little softer shooting.
Pistons spark quite an emotional debate among owners but to be realistic you will benefit the most from pistons when doing a lot of suppressed firing with short barrels. And that is a horrible price on the LWRC but typical of local gun shop markup. I would only buy the LMT MRP piston gun as it’s better than the LWRC IMO and can be converted to DI and different barrel lengths and doesn’t require you to take apart the rail for cleaning (STUPID part of LWRCs design and a deal breaker for me). Other than that I don’t know of any real problems other than bickering about pistons vs DI (because every thread about a piston gun eventually turns into one of those) but piston isn’t my first choice and if it was it wouldn’t be LWRC. Very expensive but the people who own them seem to like them and not report any more problems with them than with an equivalent DI gun. Like any gun there’s lemons out there. I don’t have personal experience with either the LWRC or the LMT so I am speaking off my research. I wanted a piston gun really bad for a long time and did a lot of research and I ended up buying a Noveske! Not sure I will ever buy the LMT as the KAC SR-15E3 is next for me and then other projects. I’m over the piston fad without ever even owning one.
In any case I think you are better served by Noveske or KAC for that kind of money, and for much less you can get a BCM or Daniel Defense and not have to part with your Colt and especially your M1 Garand. I suggest doing some searching and reading on various boards about the LWRC. It has been covered A LOT so there is a lot of information out there if you just dig.
My lwrci M6A1 is a quality firearm. I got mine brand new sold the rails that came on it and got Daniel Defense rails put a compM4 on it and its good to go. 14.5 inch cold hammer forged barrel, np3 on the bolt carrier and a exo on the lpk and those are standard and they come with troy sights.
If you find one for a good price get it. It is not heavier than my issued m4. Actually my issued is heavier with the peq15 and the m6 felt the same when I added a friends peq15 to it.
Do not pay 2400 for it. I paid $1500 for a NIB M6A1 during the m4 buying frenzy when Colts were going for $1600.
In my experience LWRCI makes an excellent rifle in the piston segment. They got a bad rap early because of some stuff that the old company did years ago. Todays rifles are very well made, reliable and are good shooters…
The question you need to answer is do you need or will your use of the rifle benefit from the piston system… Generally short barreled rifles with a can will see the most benefit from the piston system.
To others posting, this is NOT a DI vs Piston thread so dont look like a :jester:…
…when “LW” stood for Leitner-Wise, IIRC, and not Land Warfare, as it does today. Though Leitner-Wise is still around, in another form, it’s not associated with LWRC, unless mutual scorn counts as a valid connection.
Some folks make a hobby of holding grudges, which is fine and legal and all that, but the detritus that spills out from that tends to be hard to wash away and even more difficult to see through to what’s actually behind it. It’s the old “cocksucking bridgebuilder” fable.
Ha! I did exactly what your talking about. I bought a 5.45 upper for $1k. I had wanted to get a 5.45 ar as I have 8k rnds of that for my AK 74’s. I thought a piston 5.45 ar was a neat concept and I could check out what all the lwrc hype was about. I only have ~500 rnds on semi thru mine but I like it. It’s a bitch to take apart and clean the GB & regulator when shooting corosive ammo.
But I would never own them again, because they may be worth the money in quality, they are not worth the money in capability.
this is a really insightfull point. The upper is a work of art. It is put together right. On the other hand my AK is downright agricultural in comparison shoots 2-3 moa and it works every time.
It’s my opinion that if someone wants a piston rifle they should get one that has been built from the ground up as a piston rifle. e.g, FN SCAR, AK 47/74.
Absolutely quality rifles. Whether or not the piston means anything to you is a whole different argument, but the rifles are worth every penny IMO. CS is top-notch. Anyone that says otherwise is most likely still angry from years ago when the company was run by a grade-A douche, or doesn’t know what they are talking about. The one draw-back for most is the price, but given what you get for it, it’s not that hard to swallow.
I intend to get an upper when the A5 comes out. Darren posted on their fourm yesterday stating they are comming out with a DI gun. Its just LWRC now the company has changed hands 3 times they are no longer land warfair what ever.