For years I have called him the “Manchurian Candidate”, thought Songbird was too kind.
LT GENERAL THOMAS MCINERNEY CONDEMNED REBUKE OF HASPEL – CALLS HIM SONGBIRD JOHN
[video=youtube_share;3FTlym9gn3w]https://youtu.be/3FTlym9gn3w[/video]
McCain also got special treatment, getting released earlier than other POWs because of his father. McCain is a stain on the country and a complete and total piece of sh*t. Songbird John is perfect.
Didn’t that scumbag give info that got people killed, and later pardoned? A disgrace to those who have served past and present.
I cannot stand John McCain. He is a Deep State RINO if there ever was one.
That said, I will never criticize him for what may have happened in the Hanoi Hilton, shy of becoming a total turncoat (which I’ve never heard of happening). Did he break under torture? Probably, but ANY ONE OF US would break facing the same things done like he faced. This isn’t waterboarding we’re talking about, but actual freaking torture. Things like using ropes and bars to pull your shoulders out of socket. Using strips of tires to whip your flesh away. REAL shit. I’ve heard more than one Vietnam POW say “Everyone has a breaking point, EVERYONE.”
For all the reasons I despise McCain, his actions while a POW are not among them.
I can’t imagine what McCain went through as a POW. I do find it ironic that now he condemns Trumps nominee for CIA when he voted for John Brennan who was so vocal in support of enhanced interrogation when involved with it.
Whom are you speaking of?
McInerney never was a POW. McCain admitted that he broke under torture and signed confessions. None of which contained info about military plans = which as a fighter pilot would have been stale anyway.
The link goes to the typical unsubstantiated internet bullshit:
Finally, someone has called John McCain for what he’s really known for. Songbird John McCain is the name given to him after he told the Vietnamese everything they asked of him, including highly classified information about the U.S. Military, plans, and so forth. McCain also got special treatment, getting released earlier than other POWs because of his father. McCain is a stain on the country and a complete and total piece of sh*t. Songbird John is perfect.
Someone with the least bit knowledge of McCain and VN would know that this statement is false:
McCain also got special treatment, getting released earlier than other POWs because of his father. McCain is a stain on the country and a complete and total piece of sh*t. Songbird John is perfect.
McCain’s father became CINCPAC after his capture. The NVNese offered him earlier release, which he refused. He was released with 108 other POW’s in 1973 (reportedly the NVNese released by date of capture).
I’ve been reading about and following McCain’s career since the 1980’s. Other than his break with sanity by running with Palin, I pretty much agree with the way he has handled himself. You should read his books, he has a pretty good guy helping him.
It pisses me off that a draft dodging President, a senile former General, and an anonmous facebooker have disparaged his service because they don’t agree with his position.
FWIW, it think she should head the CIA.
Brennan likes her, that scares the crap out of me.
McCain is McCain.
I was referring to McCain. All that is contrary to what I have read about him, and not via the book of face. I honestly don’t know enough to take a definitive stance on his time as a POW; I believe him to be a scumbag for a number of other reasons. Particularly that of his wisdom on firearms.
Good Vid on the subject; https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=E_TvY8H-mWs When this POS dies, the Media will be playing the propaganda of his heroism, ad nauseum.
Sitting aside what has happened since he left the Navy and taking in to account the last twenty years of his career, I’m sorry, I’m not impressed.
Although he wears the seal of GOP approval, he certainly has not been very conservative.
He has been quick to appease the left, especially on DACA and as a Representative of Arizona, I’m not sure that name recognition alone must be the only thing getting him re-elected.
Shitbird, would be a good compromise. Must be that AZ heat, that makes Republicans wilt. Poor ol’ Barry Goldwater… 
Oh, eff me running.
That dude is an Alex Jones conspiracy nut, same as McInerney, except I don’t think McInerney was ever on the show. Not to mention a real deal leaker: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y_pLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QfkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7047,529503&dq=pieczenik&hl=en
The first part of the video, which I suffered through, is factually incorrect - McCain was seated in his A$, with tail outboard - toward the ocean - when a zuni was fired from an F-4 and started the blaze.
Once again, eff me running.
McCain’s greatest achievement was fooling the American people to think he was a Republican.
That’s a resounding condemnation if I ever heard one. Brennan would be one of the first ones I’d put on trial. :mad:
He did screw up the factual account of the Forestal incident.
In my mind McCains sin was that knowing the Vietnamese kept POW’s as a bargaining chip after we promised we would help rebuild their country, and failed
to do so, he turned his back on them and politically attacked anyone who brought it up.
AS I understood, the Navy investigation ‘thought’ the plane next to him was the one hit. Seems plausible that if you were going through check lists and all of a sudden stuff started blowing up and your plane is in flames there might be some confusion.
(Goodness, bless my heart, don’t I sound like an apologist)
^^^^This sums it up nicely.
McCain is a PoS. For all his talk of leadership and honor over the decades he’s been in office, that prick is one of the first to hurt the military by cutting the wrong parts of the budget. He always for big weapons programs, can’t think of one he didn’t like. And he ALWAYS is is falling over himself to send troops somewhere to do something. But also also stymies VA reform. He wears the Republican mantle but never votes conservative, always Progressive. **** this douche canoe.
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First I had heard of his nickname of “songbird” or “tweetybird” while in the Hanoi Hilton was back in 07 or so. Guy I was working with worked with a couple guys who were there(and also had been pilots that had been shot down). They were all pissed when he was running for POTUS and were very vocal according to this guy I worked with. I did some more checking and found other people talking about this.
Again who knows what they hell went on behind the doors of the Hanoi Hilton and I know it wasnt nice things, but when a lot of people are calling McCain out for this stuff years ago, something is amiss in the who said what accounts.
Pappabear and I attended a fund raiser called Whiskey and War Stories (Thanks to Paul @ Bravo Company). It was nice to hear Viet Nam POW stories from guys who weren’t milking it for Votes.
I remember McCain spoke at my Junior High back in the 80s. I was turned off by his use of his imprisonment for sympathy… I can just sniff out a scum bag. The libby teachers were in tears.