LPVO's and astigmatism with illuminated reticles.

Getting ready to pull the trigger on an lpvo for my GP rifle, I’ve narrowed it down to the razor 1-6, kahles 1-6, and nightforce nx8. My main question, is with the illuminated center dot, how clear is it to guys with astigmatism? Most illuminated dots I’ve seen whether RDS or illuminated center dots in lpvo’s are very starred or mishapen due to my astigmatism. Out of these 3, which has been the clearest in ya’ll experience. I’m really leaning towards the razor due to the eyebox and clarity, but I’d like a clean dot.

Thanks in advance.

I’d go Razor.

I have astigmatism too, and alternate between contacts and glasses. I MUCH prefer quick change or EU style diopter adjustments as my vision will change slightly if I’m wearing contacts or glasses. If you have a mild prescription, you may even be able to adjust the diopter ring to correct your uncorrected vision.

Ended up ordering a razor just now cause Euro optics had a closeout on jm-1 reticles.

Personally, I think the Kahles has a better eyebox and clarity than the Razor and it is over 4.5 oz lighter. You would have been disappointed Nightforce NX8 if a good eyebox is high on your list. When I was LPVO shopping I was coming from an Aimpoint and I wanted the most RDS 'esque one I could find, I decided the Kahles K16i was it and haven’t been disappointed. I don’t seem to get the same blooming effect with the K16i that I do with my Aimpoints.

I’m sure you’ll be pleased with the Razor, it is a solid choice.

Good to know about the eyebox on the NX-8, as I’ve really transitioned over from a long time of running RDS only on the carbines, the eyebox is a big deal for me. I had a trijicon accupower 1-8 for a short time and got rid of it for 2 reasons. Reticle was barely qualified as daylight bright, and the eyebox just did not work for me.

I have astigmatism. I got my Leupold VX Freedom 1.5-4 x 20 from EuroOptics(they were recommended by Leupold). Very cool scope and highly like their service advisors.

I’ve had good experience with leupold optics over the years, but need a 1x. Ended up getting a good deal on a razor so I’m gonna run that

I have the NX8 and wouldn’t really recommend it ever. To many sacrifices and compromises.

I wish they still made the NXS 1-4. That’s an awesome scope!

I badly want a Khales 1-6.

My astigmatism is the kind where I get [emoji524] instead of small dot then the illumination for brightness I need causes the edge to get brighter than the dot.

I have a p4xi and I want a larger eyebox than that and iirc it’s about the largest eyebox available on an lpvo.

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Steer clear of anything like the NX8/ATACR/Razor HD3 that uses FFP and a big illuminated mass on the low end as it’s going to inherently be a blob of shit anyways.

Kahles or Razor HD2…which is pretty much the reasonable answer to any LPVO question unless you have a massive cash surplus.

Illuminates LPVOs are just as blurry as Aimpoints to me.

Thats been my experience generally with ffp in lpvo’s as well. 2nd focal plane on a 1-6 doesn’t bug me cause I generally wont be using a bdc or ranging reticle on theblower end anyways so it works out for me.

Unless you’ve gotta make an LPVO do the job of an MPVO should have…which is reality because the Medium Power optic market SUCKS.

Which I’ve never really understood why… with modern technology, conceptially a very good MPVO shouldn’t be that difficuly to produce.

In what way?

I feel your pain.

For those like us who have really, really bad astigmatism, look into scleral lenses.

https://www.aao.org/eyenet/article/update-on-scleral-lenses

There is a bit of a learning curve involved with them, but they have been a career saver for me.

What kind of a learning curve, and if I understand correctly, these are contact lenses?

Hey Daniel,
Yup, they’re large, hard contacts. They vault over the cornea and sit on the sclera (the white portion of the eye).

There is a thin hollow area between the cornea and the lens. Before inserting, you fill it with fluid and then, while looking straight down, you stick the contact in. The fluid under the lens fills in around the irregular cornea. Thus, what your retina ‘sees’ is a refraction sent to it from the perfectly dome-shaped lens, not your buggered up cornea. (Which, in my case, has the topography of a mountain range sadly!)

The learning curve is getting used to sticking it in to your eye and removing it. It can be frustrating at first, but soon it is just like tying shoes.

Without them my vision is horrendous. With them, it is wonderful. They remove nearly all of my astigmatism / refractive surgery-caused visual aberrations. They are certainly worth looking into if you have corneal issues like astigmatism, keratoconous, or whatever!

Best wishes,
SBR

Will these amplify damage to the eye from impact?

This is why I don’t wear contacts. I appreciate the info on them, but I can’t wear them for a couple reasons. Had an issue at work with dust and particulates even while wearing safety glasses, ( I’m a mechanic in the army ) and then had separate issues with them lodging in my eye corner during some sports games. Regular glasses for me is just the best option with ballistic glasses and inserts forbwork and range / mission use. Just got my prescription updated so that will probably help a little