Lower Receiver life expectinecy?

I have finally completed my AR15.

One question looms on my mind.

How durable is a lower receiver. Since this is the part that is required by law to register in my state it is now the most important part to keep in good order, whats the average abuse it can take in terms of bullets being fired from it to the point it just warps :confused:

If it helps I have an MP15 lower 7075 T6 Aluminum hard coat black. I dont plan to be dropping this on the dirt, cement or being to *rough with it :slight_smile:

its a non stress part, unlike the upper. It wont warp under normal use

Are you sure with this answer? If this is true this is GREAT news if not this is BAD news :frowning:

So would you say that it can last almost a lifetime with proper care??

I doubt this slightly? So after dumping 10,000 to 15,000 rounds of 5.56 I am to see no wear on the lower per say?

Bushmaster had one in-house about ten years ago that they estimated had over 250,000 rounds on. It was used to test completed upper reciever assemblies.

They said they had replaced FCG parts but the reciever was still in-spec.

I am curious if they still have it.

You might see some enlarging of the FCG pin holes. You might see some slop develop between upper and lower from slight enlargement of the takedown and pivot pin holes. All easily remedied without throwing out the receiver. And even if you do, just get a new one. If you’re worried about it, buy a replacement now and stick it in your safe. It would cost you about $60-120 for that piece of mind.

It should last you a long time. Ive seen heavily dinged and worn down to bare aluminum M16A1 lowers from years of no-care-use that are still perfectly functional. No egging out of the hammer and trigger pin holes, whatsoever. Personally, I’d be more worried about an improperly installed RE.

the lower doesnt take the stress of firing, the upper and BCG do.

Wearing and warping are two completely different things. No, your lower won’t warp. It will wear in certain areas, like the pivot and takedown pin holes, but not nearly enough to render the lower useless. The FCG and buffer parts will also wear, but are all easily replaceable.

It will last you a lifetime of shooting…
You should even be able to hand it down to the next generation of shooters!

Think of all the pre 86 m16a1 lowers out there in private hands, a number get shot often. Almost 25 years worth of FA and most haven’t fallen apart.

Considering that when I went to basic, both times, we were using a whole bunch of Vietnam era M16s that had been upgraded to a1 (I saw Colt AR15 marked guns, Hydramatic Division guns, etc.) over the years I never worried about the lowers at all.
Even abused they last a very long time.

We have discussed this before. Lower receivers get damaged due to people improperly disassembling and assembling the FCG. Especially using steel punches to remove and install pins.

I can almost guarantee that if you learn the correct way to maintain and disassemble/ assemble your lower it will probably last longer than you.

Why the “almost” and “probably”? If it’s a sure thing, then why the uncertainty? Not trying to troll or nitpick, but it seems that, if the best answer is “probably,” then the OP has a valid question and it would make such things as KNS pins seemingly valid.

Well, I’m not Iraqgunz but being it’s best to avoid absolutes it’s “almost” always smart to use the terms “almost” and “probably” - because stuff happens. Nothing is a sure thing.

A lot of people use KNS pins and that’s fine for them but it’s “almost” never necessary. Good milspec parts should work fine, not walk out nor oval out the receiver.

Anyway, Greyman, I also have a M&P-15 stripped lower receiver that I built up with a milspec LPK and BCM RE/stock kit and haven’t had any problems with it. I’ve dinged up the finish a little but otherwise the receiver is as strong as anything else I’ve seen and I expect it to outlast me. I’ve tried a couple uppers on it and the fit was snug while function was 100%. Be happy with yours, it’s a fine start for your rifle. Get a BCM or other quality upper and you’ll be GTG.

Edit: if it has the standard weight carbine buffer you might need to replace it with an H-buffer and maybe stake the castle nut but that’s about it.

Bushmaster seems to have managed a couple hundred thousand rounds before KNS pins were available.

First off, the OP makes no mention of KNS pins. Second, I say almost guarantee because there are no guarantees in life.

Anything man made can fail and people can find a way to damage anything. I have seen M16 lowers that probably should have been in a museum and they were still working 20+ years later.

I have yet to see a lower receiver that had trigger or hammer holes that were damaged by a rotating pin. I have seen plenty of dicked up AR’s damaged by morons who decided to bang on pins, improperly remove and install their FCG’s and a host of other problems.

I find it curious that even to this day there are old M16’s being loaned out to police depts. that are probably 30+ years old and still seem to be functioning. If anyone has any proof of holes being worn by simple rotation of the hammer or trigger pins I would love to see it.

From someone whose armed forces that still uses the old M16A1 as in really old (40-30 years old) Colts, H&Rs, GMs and not so old Eliscos, the lower receiver does last a long time.

These rifles are probably older than the soldiers carrying them.

Skyyr,
Just curious, what is a moving mechanical device, that you have, that you will absolutely positively guarantee will always work?

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Oh, I don’t have one, nor do they exist, but that wasn’t my point. Let me digress…

There is purposeful slop (i.e. “tolerances”) allowed in every receiver, meaning that virtually every piece that’s in the lower receiver can move. Movement = friction, be it a lot or a little of it, and therefore an educated person can deduct that a lower receiver WILL eventually egg-hole or the like over time. How many rounds until then? Half a million? Two million? Who knows; my point is that logic and deduction would say it IS possible, which brings me to my next point…

Many people state that the lower receiver will “out-live” the owner, many times using the argument that they can always buy a new gun if their current one wears out. That’s true… for now. What if another AWB were to pass? Is that statement still valid? Buying new receivers may not be an option. If you only had one gun, and couldn’t get another, and shot competitively, then who’s to say that it would still last a lifetime?

My point is that the people that typically state “it won’t wear out” are usually ones who approach it from an armorers standpoint, meaning that they’ve seen “really old ones” that aren’t worn out… and they replace the ones that are. That’s something the average Joe can’t always do. The other thing is that while I’m sure there are many VERY old rifles still in service, no one really keeps a true round count on them. Yes, you can try to guesstimate the count, but even then, it’s still a guess at best and can be completely wrong. And even if you can come up with 5 guns with “259,374” round counts, that’s still only a sample-size of 5, which isn’t significant.

Everything has a designed projected life span. Whenever I see someone make a comment about “it will outlive you” followed by “maybe,” that’s a contradictory statement. Either a receiver WILL outlast a human life on average (~80-120 years), or it won’t. There’s no middle ground.

Sorry for the long post.

Hmmm, I’m 62… Yeah, my M&P-15 lower is gonna outlast me! :smiley:

Maybe - if it doesn’t get run over by BHO’s machinery.