Lower Receiver Comparisons

I thought it might be interesting to have a thread where we post pictures of various lower receivers, stripped, to show some of the variations. I can start with these 6, but I have a couple of others I can add as well. I wanted to get more shots, but the rain started back up (note the wet background in most of these). I do think that it covers the basics of what most people want to see which is markings and magwells. The other things I would typically want to see is the amount of flash left in the triggerguard and a downwar shot through the top. Pretty much what would cover all of this, for those that want to join in, would be shots of top, left, right, and bottom.

So here’s what I have.

Charles Daly Defense

Knights Armament

Noveske Rifleworks

Spike’s Tactical

Sully’s Guns

Superior Arms

a lot of people wind up wanting magwell comparisons, so I put them all together.

Daly, Knights, Noveske, Spike’s, Sully, Superior

Outstanding Rob…deserves a sticky in the FAQ.

Larue Tactical billet lower. Not the best pics in the world, as the sun was setting when I took them:

Hopefully I’ll actually complete this build sometime soon.

Trying to pin down stripped lower characteristics is kinda like trying to pin down LPK characteristics. It’s not possible because it’s an ever moving target.

For example, different forging platter batches and mag well broaching machinery changes over time would make same name receivers different over time. We’ve even seen this with the Colt lowers.

I agree, and it’s why I left my serial numbers exposed. Some of these lowers go back several years, and I’m sure that the people who stamped them may be buying them from different manufacturers with different specs today.

But, we constantly hear things like “parts is parts” and “all receivers come from 2 or 3 different sources” yet I have seen lowers from the exact same “source” with different rollmarks on them that also have other differences in the way they are finished out.

This certainly isn’t going to pin anything down, it’s just an interesting repository (potentially) of various types and styles. I’d love to see a newer Superior, or an older Spike’s, and see the differences between what I have and what someone else has.

so what observations do you make about these lowers?

To paraphrase Hamlet, these foils all have a length.

The Sully lower looks really nice, ive always really liked the CY6/territorial lowers. I really wanna get one for a build. I think that was the nicest lower of them all, with the spikes lower quite possibly being the ugliest.

Spikes lowers seem to be sort of hit or miss, the ones ive seen lately look a lot nicer then some of the older ones. the ones mega made for them are awesome looking.

Anybody have a guide to determining factors of manufacture for different lowers by serial numbers?

Looks like Rob_s intended for this to be a living thread, so here’s my contribution to the knowledge base.

Inspired by recent pricing, I ordered 3 of the Surplus Ammo & Arms stripped lowers from AIM. Soon thereafter, Palmetto State Armory started an irresistable $50 sale on their marked lowers as well. After shipping and transfer, my final cost was $72.28 for each SA&A and $65.33 for each PSA.

Now that I finally have both sets of lowers in hand, a comparison might be helpful or interesting.

Just to disclose where I’m coming from, I know that this review compares a variety of inconsequential cosmetic minutia. To be clear, I’m not building any kind of safe queen on a $50 lower. I only present this information as a resource, for those readers to whom these details are of interest. I also apologize in advance for my lack of knowledge of the correct nomenclature (what is that ring where the receiver extension mounts called anyway??!?)

Corrections and comments welcome.


SA&A (top); PSA (bottom)

Both lowers are reputedly made by Aero Precision. In fact, when I contacted AP on Facebook regarding the SA&A lower, AP responded and accepted the compliment. However, there are several differences that make me question whether both lowers are from the same manufacturer.

MARKINGS


SA&A (left); PSA (right)

The lettering and pictograms on the SA&A are markedly (no pun intended) deeper and more distinct than the PSA. Also, the pictograms are larger on the SA&A.


SA&A (top); PSA (bottom)

Note the keyhole marking on the SA&A immediately in front of the trigger well, absent on the PSA. My AR arcana is weak, but it is my understanding that this indicates that the raw forging came from Cerro Forge, an established and respected maker.

TOP


SA&A (left); PSA (right)

Above you can see a difference in the shape of the void adjacent to the selector holes. The SA&A has a distinct bulge machined in. This does not seem to be a high-shelf/low-shelf issue. Any ideas on the function of these two shapes?


SA&A (left); PSA (right)

Another minor difference is the shape of the reinforcing ring around the receiver extension mount.

ANODIZING

The tone and finish of both the PSA and SA&A lowers is very similar. Side-by-side and in indirect sunlight, the PSA seems very, very slightly more matte and a somewhat colder/bluer tone than the SA&A. However, this isn’t to say that the SA&A is glossy. The differences are very slight and are not especially visible in the photos. Both seem a little more matte than my LMT lower or BCM uppers, but those have all seen a lot of oil, dirt, dust, powder, abrasion, etc. I mention this just for the record, since the obsession with color-matching uppers and lowers seems IMHO a huge affectation, up there with Accuwedges, color fill, upper-to-lower slop, “does this company’s coyote match Magpul’s FDE” and other such non-shooter interests.

I hate to note it, but all 3 SA&A lowers have several areas of thin anodizing where the silver-toned metal is showing through. I know that anodizing is neither spray nor paint, but the subjective effect is a hurried spray paint job. To be fair, all areas of poor anodizing are in places that would not be visible once assembled.

All three SA&A lowers have metal showing through between the front and back trigger guard ears, around the PG near where the selector detent spring inserts, inside the bolt catch channel, inside that mysterious shallow hole where the receiver end plate covers, and inside the well near the takedown pin. The PSA lowers are heavily and evenly coated in all of these areas.

Selected detail shots of the gaps in the SA&A anodizing:

MACHINING

Both are very cleanly machined, at least as good as my LMT and much cleaner than many Colts I have handled. IME a good place to look for this is on the front pivot lugs, the front of the magwell, and inside the trigger well. If anything, the SA&A is slightly smoother in the front pivot lugs and on the “ceiling” of the trigger well. In the curved seam behind the grip (what I call the “beavertail” area for lack of a better term) the PSA is smoother, where the SA&A displays a somewhat prominent flash.


SA&A (left); PSA (right)

MAGWELL

The only potentially significant difference between the two is the flaring of the magwell. Both lowers easily drop PMags, with the PSA being slightly more generous fit. However, the PSA magwell is significantly more flared than the SA&A, even on the front wall which you don’t see too often.


Both pics: SA&A (left); PSA (right)

One other functional difference I found was that the channel for the takedown pin detent spring is threaded for a 4-40 set screw on the SA&A. This is a nice touch, but one that I will not utilize since I don’t change receiver end plates too often and because I am not completely comfortable with trimming a coil or two off of the spring to make it work. The PSA is not threaded for this set screw.

SUMMARY

Both are very nice receivers. I’ve only assembled an LPK on one of the SA&A so far - everything installed easily and the lower fits and runs great with either of my BCM uppers. I expect the PSA to accommodate an LPK just fine. However, the much more generously flared magwell on the PSA is a deal-clincher for me so for my use, the PSA lowers will be getting the better furniture and more frequent use.

Nice summary. FWIW Aero Precision lowers, those with the AP roll marks, have the keyhole forge marks on them.

This is from an old thread that was some what informational.

thanks guys! Great posts.

I have an AP lower, serial number 224xx, that has the high shelf and no forge marking.

I have never seen a lower with a forge marking in that location. I was under the impression that it is generally where the pistol grip boss gets machined down.

When did AP start getting raw forgings with this new forge marking?
Does any other manufacturer have this marking?

Hmm…interesting. I didn’t intend to imply that all of them did, but the ones I saw had the forge marks. Perhaps they utilize forgings from various sources and mill them in-house?

Here’s an example.

Sorry about that.
Didn’t mean to come across in any way but curious.

There is an article floating around the interwebs about AP.

Found it:
http://230grain.com/showthread.php?34271-Industry-Interviews-Aero-Precision
They do machine them in house, and as with mine, they did a good job.

Both mine are assembled, but this gent has a few photo’s of the Tactical Innovations T-15 here.

http://www.702shooter.com/precision-rifle-raffle/review-tactical-innovations-t15-receiver/

I’m a fan of the minimization markings my self.

Great photos, I have found that one measure of finish quality is how the front of the mag well is finished. My son has a Spikes lower that has a satin finish in that area, no visible forging flash at all. We looked at every available lower at the Orange County gun show at the time and the Spikes had the best overall finish, that may change from time to time, but for overall finish they seem to be the best.
Some of my own lowers have a ridge in the middle of the mag well front and at the rearof the lower that I take to be a forging flash. It doesnt take that much time and effort to remove the flash. The older lowers seem to have a more prominent flash line thruout the entire lower, it could be the manufacturing process is getting better as more buyers demand a better finish.

Tagging this for later. Have some good shots of my AA lower that I can post tonight.